Conscience of Man Gen. 3:22-8:14 1:3-8:14

BanjoPicker

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THAT ANGELS DID COMMIT FORNICATION IS PLAIN IN SCRIPTURE.
In Pet. 2:4, 5 we have the statement the angels did sin before the flood and for this they were cast down to He11 and delivered into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. Peter does not tell us what sin the angels committed, but Jude 6, 7 does: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. EVEN AS Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them IN LIKE MANNER [Greek, as did these angels], giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example suffering the vengeance of eternal "fire." In Gen. 6:1-4 we have the historical record of the sin of these angels. If Sodom and other cities committed fornication and lived contrary to nature, or these cities could not have committed the sin of these angels. Thus, we have plain proof the angels did live with the daughters of men, and to deny it is to deny part of the Word of God.
 

BanjoPicker

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ANGELS DO HAVE REAL BODIES AND CAN LIVE LIKE MEN.

That angels do have real bodies like men and that they have appeared to man as men many times. If they do have real bodies and have done and can do bodily acts such as man does, then why could they not live with the daughters of men and produce offspring? By leaving their own native state and spirit-habitation to live in human realm, they could marry the daughters of men as human beings do. Human beings are to be changed and live in the spirit realm in the next life, so what is there hard to understand about how spirit-beings can come down to live in the human realm? Jude plainly says that angels left their own habitation and lived like men. The Greek word for habitation is oiketerion and is used only in Jude 6 and 2 Cor. 5:2, where it is used of the new bodies from Heaven, or the spiritual and glorified bodies of saints left. It is the estate the angels did not keep.
The only objection to the fact that angels lived with men and married the daughters of men is Matt. 22:30 where Jesus stated that those who have part in the resurrection will not marry in the next life, but are like the angels in Heaven. Jesus did not say here thar angels were sexless and could not come down on the human plane and marry. He merely taught that resurrected saints and angels in Heaven do not marry to keep their race going, as is necessary down here.
 

BanjoPicker

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It is a fact that resurrected men and women will still be male and female in the resurrection, so Jesus did not want to leave the impression that men will become sexless in the next life. This would be contradicting Paul in 1 Cor. 15:35-58, where he states that every person will have his own body in the next life. This is why we shall then know others as we are now known 1 Cor. 13:12. It is also a fact that angels are all male beings, for they have always appeared s men and are always referred to in the masculine gender. Angels could not have committed fornication if they were sexless. Angels have bodily parts like man, so why should they not be able to commit fornication like men?

We are obligated to believe plain Scriptures or make Jude, Peter, Moses, and others false teachers. Wecare not required to understand how spirit-beings could do things that man can do, we are simply required to believe it if it is so stated in Scripture. It is easy to understand, however, when one study's the Scriptures and see how angels are real persons with real bodies and can do acts that man can do.
 

Spotlite

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Do angels have to be changed from real bodies as we have (corruptible) to incorruptible each time they enter heaven?
 

BanjoPicker

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THE TWO CLASSES OF FALLEN ANGELS PROVE THE ONES NOW IN HE11 COMMITTED A SPECIAL SIN.
If the ones now in he11 did not commit a special sin, then they would still be loosed with those who are not bound. In 2 Pet. 2:4 and Jude 6-7 it is clear that some angels are bound in he11 now, and in Rev. 12:7-12 it is clear that some angels are still loose with the devil in the heavenlies and will be cast down to the Earth in the future just before the second coming of Christ to the Earth. No doubt all these angels sinned against God when Lucifer rebelled on the original Earth before Adam, but those bound in he11 today committed an extra sin and lived with the daughters of men to thwart God’s plan in the coming of the seed of the woman, as recorded in Gen. 6:1-4, 11-13.
 

BanjoPicker

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The spirits in prison of 1 Pet. 3:19, 20 are the angels that sinned in the days of Noah and are the same as the sons of God of Gen. 6:1-4. The spirits in prison could not be the souls of men because of the following considerations:

1. These spirits sinned in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing, providing that the sons of God married the daughters of men all through the age of Conscience from the time daughters were born to men until the building of the ark. If they were the souls of men that Christ preached to, then it was to only one generation of men that He preached, the one that lived while the ark was preparing 1 Pet. 3:19. Why did He single out this one generation and make a respecter of persons of Himself and not preach to the generation before and after this one? Why should He preach to only one generation of men in he11 and not to all others? What kind of massage could He have given to one generation that could not apply to all other men in He11.
 
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BanjoPicker

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2. If the spirits in prison were just one generation of men that sinned while the ark was being prepared, then we are forced to believe that there must have been a special prison for that one generation or that all other wicked men of all other generations are not in He11. Which are we to believe? The Bible teaches that all wicked human beings go to one place until the resurrection. If we believe that these spirits in prison refer to one class of angels that sinned all through the age of Conscience and that God finally took action against them in the days of Noah, every problem will automatically be solved concerning who these spirits are, where they are, why they are confined to He11.

3. The time of the sin of these spirits is the same time as the sin of the angels of 2 Pet. 2:4, 5; Jude 6-8, which was before the flood, proving that the spirits in prison and the angels are the same class of beings.
 

BanjoPicker

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4. Not one time in Scripture are human beings ever called spirits. wherever human spirits are referred to, the statement is always qualified and clarified by speaking of them as being "spirits OF men" Heb. 12:23, "spirits OF all flesh" Num. 16:22; 27:16, and "spirits OF the prophets" 1 Cor. 14:32. Men have spirits, but they are not spirits. On the other hand, the word "spirits" without such qualifications refers to actual and real spirit beings Ps. 104:4; Heb. 1:7, 14. Therefore, these spirits in prison refers to the angels in prison in 2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 6-7 and the sons of God in Gen. 6:1-4.

5. The Greek word for preached in 1 Pet. 3:19 is kerusso, meaning to proclaim as a public, crier, or to announce without reference to the particular nature of the message announced. It may be a good or bad announcement. The devil and these angels had planned to stop the coming of Christ, the seed of the woman to avert their own doom and keep control of man. Their purpose was to do away with pure Adamite stock through whom the seed of the woman should come, but God intervened and sent the flood to do away with the giants, the offspring of the angels and men, and their purpose was defeated.
When God sent the angels themselves, the fathers of the giants, to He11, the devil no doubt held out hope of their deliverance some day. When Satan and his plans failed and Christ, the seed of the woman, came and defeated the evil spirits on the cross and went to He11 to make this announcement to these imprisoned spirits they knew that there was no hope of liberation for them forever.
 

BanjoPicker

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There were two eruptions of the fallen angels among men

They produced races of giants on the Earth each time. The first eruption was before the flood, and the second one was after the flood. This is plainly stated in Gen. 6:4: "There were giants in the earth IN THOSE DAYS [before the flood], and ALSO AFTER THAT [after the flood], when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." We also know from history that there were giants in the Earth both before and after the flood. Gen 6:4 records the fact that "There were giants in the earth in those days" before the flood, for the whole passage speaks of the time before the flood of Noah and shows why God sent the flood. Then we have many Scriptures of giants in the Earth after the flood, coming from the same source, the sons of God and the daughters of men. There were no daughters of Cain left on earth after the flood, for only Noah and his family were kept alive in the ark and lived after the flood Gen. 6:18; 9:1-16; 1 Pet. 3:20.
 

BanjoPicker

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The giants after the flood occupied the land of Canaan in advance of Abraham and his seed to thwart God's promise, of the coming of Christ, the seed of the woman, through Abraham. When he entered the land giants were already there: "The Canaanite was then [already] in the land" Gen. 12:6. From here on there was a continual fight between Satan and the people through whom Christ would come.
Satan tried to corrupt Sarah and have her killed for adultery when he caused Abraham to be afraid and caused Pharaoh to take her for himself Gen. 12:10-20. The same thing occurred again when Abraham went to Philistia Gen. 20. Satan attempted to destroy the chosen family by a famine Gen. 12:10-20; 26:1-5; 50:20, by the destruction of the male line in Egypt Ex. 1:10-13, and by the destruction of the whole nation Ex. 14. and 33.
 

BanjoPicker

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When David's line was singled out as the line through whom the seed of the woman was to come 2 Sam. 7, Satan tried in several ways to destroy this line 2 Chron. 17:1; 21:4, 17; 22:1, 10; 23:3. At one time there was only one little baby boy left in the direct lineage of Christ 2 Kings 11:1-21. This war went on until Satan through the wicked Haman tried to destroy all Israel Esther 3:6-13; 6:1. Next Satan tried to destroy the seed of the woman when he came Matt. 2:16; Lk. 4:16-30. The Jews tried to kill Him many times but He supernaturally escaped them until the hour of the cross came, when He was to defeat the powers of darkness and bruise the serpent's head Gen. 3:15; Col. 2:14-17; 1 Jn. 3:8; Heb. 2:14-18; Jn. 19:30.

The second eruption of fallen angels was evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, they were for the most part confined to the land of Canaan, and their offspring were known as the nations of Canaan. They were known as Rephaim Gen. 14:5; 15:20; Deut. 2:11, 20, 21; 3:11-13; Josh. 12:4; 13:12; 15:8; 17:15; 18:16; Anakim Num. 13:22; Deut. 1:28; 2:10, 11, 21; 9:2; Josh. 11:21, 22; 14:12-15; Horim Gen. 14:6; Deut. 2:12, 20, 21; Avim Deut. 2;23; Josh. 13:3; Zanzumim Deut. 2:20; and other names. They are enumerated in Gen. 15:18-21; Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23; Num. 13:22; Deut. 7:1; 20:17; Josh. 12:8.
 

BanjoPicker

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These were to be utterly destroyed by the sword of Israel just as the flood had destroyed the ones that had live in the dispensation of Conscience Deut. 7:1-5; 20:17; Josh. 3:10. Israel failed in this purpose so the giants were left to test and prove the chosen people Josh. 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18; Judges 1:19-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7. The giants made trouble for Israel until the time of David, when the last of the races of the giants were killed 1 Sam. 17; 2 Sam. 21:15-22; 1 Chron. 20:4-8.
 
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