gordon 2
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John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
In the context of these passages what is the life to lay down, to loose, to find? Often I fear that some identify these to the "ultimate" sacrafice of a person in the military or in law inforcement, or of a parent or of a hero for the security and safety of other family or individuals. This of course means physical death and suggests a life happily gained in the beyond for the act.
On the other hand is this what scripture means in a "spiritual" sense?
Matthew 19:24" And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." With this often quoted bit I am often reminded that our spiritual outlook is too simple. Because we are weathy in salvation we view life, the loss of life, and the finding of life as the life we live and physical death and the life to follow. I don't think this is correct in a christian sense.
I think what the passages are about is getting out of our comfort zones. It is about uprooting our "ways of life" and literally rooting them in the Good News by actions which seem counter to common sense even. Am I willing to sacrafice my reputation or my career, to go it alone, to forgo monetary reward, to risk assets to DO what is right according to my talents and the will of God?
Matthew 10:39 "He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it." Am I ready to sacrafice the day to day life I know for what Jesus calls the Kingdom of God? And by sacrafice here I mean doing something else, totally different. I am afraid that we are too weathy to do so. As a matter of fact the only opposing thing we conceptualize to the life we know is physical death. I suggest that though we are proud of being saved, we are yet blind and do not see in a more mature spiritual sense.
What do you think, ideas? Am I in the thickets? Lost? In the context of these passages what are the lives to loose, to lay down, to find? What say you?
Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
In the context of these passages what is the life to lay down, to loose, to find? Often I fear that some identify these to the "ultimate" sacrafice of a person in the military or in law inforcement, or of a parent or of a hero for the security and safety of other family or individuals. This of course means physical death and suggests a life happily gained in the beyond for the act.
On the other hand is this what scripture means in a "spiritual" sense?
Matthew 19:24" And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." With this often quoted bit I am often reminded that our spiritual outlook is too simple. Because we are weathy in salvation we view life, the loss of life, and the finding of life as the life we live and physical death and the life to follow. I don't think this is correct in a christian sense.
I think what the passages are about is getting out of our comfort zones. It is about uprooting our "ways of life" and literally rooting them in the Good News by actions which seem counter to common sense even. Am I willing to sacrafice my reputation or my career, to go it alone, to forgo monetary reward, to risk assets to DO what is right according to my talents and the will of God?
Matthew 10:39 "He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it." Am I ready to sacrafice the day to day life I know for what Jesus calls the Kingdom of God? And by sacrafice here I mean doing something else, totally different. I am afraid that we are too weathy to do so. As a matter of fact the only opposing thing we conceptualize to the life we know is physical death. I suggest that though we are proud of being saved, we are yet blind and do not see in a more mature spiritual sense.
What do you think, ideas? Am I in the thickets? Lost? In the context of these passages what are the lives to loose, to lay down, to find? What say you?