gtparts
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Before we can begin to see the cross as something done for us, we have to see it as something done by us. John Stott”
Don't you think that a person doesn't actually come to understand the cross until after they become believers?
And I fear that many Christians haven't come to terms with it.
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but you may have the problem backward. If Jesus is integrally entwined with the fall, what happens when fewer people believe in the fall? This I think is the struggle the church faces today- the garden of eden is an increasingly remote concept for many, so how do you balance that with the traditional explanation for the crucification.
I have a question regarding mankind's fall from grace in the Garden of Eden.
If every human descendent of Adam and Eve inherited the guilt of the "original sin" and are born sinners, then why did Jesus not also inherit this sin upon His birth? Jesus was a descendent of David and Abraham and Noah and Adam. Jesus was a man. Jesus had a human mother.
You've overlooked the obvious. The human form that Jesus had here on earth was miraculously conceived through the working of the Holy Spirit; Jesus, being pre-existent, was perfect ( no sin nature) prior to and during the incarnation (and, of course,since then). The malady of having a sin nature is only intrinsic to those who are 100% human and 0% divine.I have a question regarding mankind's fall from grace in the Garden of Eden.
If every human descendent of Adam and Eve inherited the guilt of the "original sin" and are born sinners, then why did Jesus not also inherit this sin upon His birth? Jesus was a descendent of David and Abraham and Noah and Adam. Jesus was a man. Jesus had a human mother.
I have a question regarding mankind's fall from grace in the Garden of Eden.
If every human descendent of Adam and Eve inherited the guilt of the "original sin" and are born sinners, then why did Jesus not also inherit this sin upon His birth? Jesus was a descendent of David and Abraham and Noah and Adam. Jesus was a man. Jesus had a human mother.
The Immaculate Conception?
Most people think that refers to the conception of Jesus, but it's really about Mary's sinlessness.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp
I read the link you provided. If I misunderstood, please correct me, but what I read was that Jesus saved Mary before Mary was even born so that she was born without sin and lived without sin at least until Jesus was born. Is that correct?