Is my atheist dad in heaven?

[ambush80]

That’s an improvement over fundamentalism. The problem is the religious texts are fixed and unchanging so the door is always open for fundamentalists to reclaim it from the revisionists.

The hope is that they die off and take their fundamentalism with them. They are truly beyond reforming. The texts are fixed but also weird enough to allow for interpretation. Look how the believers here can't even agree. The goal is support the guys that believe in metaphorical as opposed to literal translation. Same with Islam. There's enough wiggle room that believers might be convinced to reinterpret jihad as an inner, personal, spiritual struggle. Getting them some internet porn, Mickey D's and Mt. Dew would probably speed up the process.

 

[1gr8bldr]

I'm don't know why their version of God would be so ticked off at what they believe or don't believe, in this 100 year life span...that he would sentence them to everlasting suffering for ever, and ever, and ever, 1000 x our life and more. And.... created he11, as if he already knew what would happen???? That's like Santa Claus turning all the kids blind that don't believe in him.

 

[ambush80]

I'm don't know why their version of God would be so ticked off at what they believe or don't believe, in this 100 year life span...that he would sentence them to everlasting suffering for ever, and ever, and ever, 1000 x our life and more. And.... created he11, as if he already knew what would happen???? That's like Santa Claus turning all the kids blind that don't believe in him.

Preach on, brother.

 

[bullethead]

I'm don't know why their version of God would be so ticked off at what they believe or don't believe, in this 100 year life span...that he would sentence them to everlasting suffering for ever, and ever, and ever, 1000 x our life and more. And.... created he11, as if he already knew what would happen???? That's like Santa Claus turning all the kids blind that don't believe in him.

Awesome analogy

 

[ky55]

Sharing truth with someone and praying for them is not condemnation. It is love.

Projecting your unsupported imaginings onto others and expecting them to change their lives is neither truth nor love in my opinion.

You probably will disagree with that, but consider this.... if you knew that your teenage child was considering shooting up a school, what would you do? Keep quiet and mind your own business? I doubt it. You would warn them of the possible consequences and try to reason with them. You would try and get them help. If every thing else failed, you would probably report them to authorities.

It's actually kinda absurd to compare a doom-and-gloom fantasy situation to a real-life issue in the real world, but to answer your question-I would immediately go to the authorities.

That is what christians are called to do, warn others, try to get them help, and pray for them.(talking to a higher authority).

Imagining a divine calling to intercede on behalf of others, under the authority of an imaginary "higher authority", seems to be bordering on extremism to me.

Unlike your accusation, Christians are not called to judge, condemn, or put down others. Quit acting like we are.

Somebody needs to send the memo out again, cause a bunch of folks didn't get it.
Judging and condemning is the foundation of the system.
Quit acting like you aren't.

 

[Geezer Ray]

I'm don't know why their version of God would be so ticked off at what they believe or don't believe, in this 100 year life span...that he would sentence them to everlasting suffering for ever, and ever, and ever, 1000 x our life and more. And.... created he11, as if he already knew what would happen???? That's like Santa Claus turning all the kids blind that don't believe in him.

This right here is a huge misunderstanding by non-believers. HE11 was never created for man, it was made for satan and his fallen angels. HE11 was increased in size after the fall of man in the Garden. Man was created perfect in the garden but disobeyed God and ate from the tree of knowledge, so sin entered the world and here we are today. But God never created He11 for man.

 

[bullethead]

I'm don't know why their version of God would be so ticked off at what they believe or don't believe, in this 100 year life span...that he would sentence them to everlasting suffering for ever, and ever, and ever, 1000 x our life and more. And.... created he11, as if he already knew what would happen???? That's like Santa Claus turning all the kids blind that don't believe in him.

This right here is a huge misunderstanding by non-believers. HE11 was never created for man, it was made for satan and his fallen angels. HE11 was increased in size after the fall of man in the Garden. Man was created perfect in the garden but disobeyed God and ate from the tree of knowledge, so sin entered the world and here we are today. But God never created He11 for man.

How long ago did the garden and Adam and Eve exist? In years roughly..

 

[NE GA Pappy]

Somebody needs to send the memo out again, cause a bunch of folks didn't get it.
Judging and condemning is the foundation of the system.
Quit acting like you aren't.

maybe so. The founder of our religion said

'Love others as you love yourself'

' Treat people like you want to be treated'

' If you see someone in need, help them'

' If you are asked to walk a mile with someone, walk two miles instead'

' forgive people who hurt you'

' Don't let the day end and still be angry with someone'

' If you are praying and remember that someone is upset with you, go make it right with them'


Yep, sounds like a religion of hate, condemnation, and judgement to me. Not.

 

[atlashunter]

maybe so. The founder of our religion said

'Love others as you love yourself'

' Treat people like you want to be treated'

' If you see someone in need, help them'

' If you are asked to walk a mile with someone, walk two miles instead'

' forgive people who hurt you'

' Don't let the day end and still be angry with someone'

' If you are praying and remember that someone is upset with you, go make it right with them'


Yep, sounds like a religion of hate, condemnation, and judgement to me. Not.

Luke 19:27

 

[Geezer Ray]

The religion of hate was lead by a Man so full of hate He even died for the ones who ere executing Him. He took their place He had so much hate. Really, have any of the the non-believers ever even read the Bible? I am just curious because if I am presented with something I am not sure about I read up on it. There is a book "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel, I think that's how you spell it. Anyway he was an atheist who set out to prove Jesus did not exist and was not who he claimed to be and there was no God. In his years of research He became a Christian due to the facts that backed up what the Bible said. I am not judging anyone but really want people to see for themselves before they are mislead by others.

 

[Geezer Ray]

Luke 19:27

You can not take one verse out of the Bible and use it, you must read verses before and after to get the context of what is being said. You can cherry pick the Bible to read anyway you want it to. But, that doesn't change what God said.

 

[atlashunter]

The religion of hate was lead by a Man so full of hate He even died for the ones who ere executing Him. He took their place He had so much hate. Really, have any of the the non-believers ever even read the Bible? I am just curious because if I am presented with something I am not sure about I read up on it. There is a book "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel, I think that's how you spell it. Anyway he was an atheist who set out to prove Jesus did not exist and was not who he claimed to be and there was no God. In his years of research He became a Christian due to the facts that backed up what the Bible said. I am not judging anyone but really want people to see for themselves before they are mislead by others.

I bet you think the mafia is a security service too.

 

[atlashunter]

You can not take one verse out of the Bible and use it, you must read verses before and after to get the context of what is being said. You can cherry pick the Bible to read anyway you want it to. But, that doesn't change what God said.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[1gr8bldr]

I'm don't know why their version of God would be so ticked off at what they believe or don't believe, in this 100 year life span...that he would sentence them to everlasting suffering for ever, and ever, and ever, 1000 x our life and more. And.... created he11, as if he already knew what would happen???? That's like Santa Claus turning all the kids blind that don't believe in him.

This right here is a huge misunderstanding by non-believers. HE11 was never created for man, it was made for satan and his fallen angels. HE11 was increased in size after the fall of man in the Garden. Man was created perfect in the garden but disobeyed God and ate from the tree of knowledge, so sin entered the world and here we are today. But God never created He11 for man.

If God is "all knowing", then how did this happen. Just so you know, I am a devout believer in Jesus as the Son of God. I just don't adhere to the he11 doctrine. Have not seen you around here in these discussions before. Welcome

 

[ky55]

Yep, sounds like a religion of hate, condemnation, and judgement to me. Not.

Uhhh, I think you have taken the liberty of adding the word “hate” to my comments about judgement and condemnation.
I’m sure it was an unintentional mistake that could be easily corrected.


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[Geezer Ray]

If God is "all knowing", then how did this happen. Just so you know, I am a devout believer in Jesus as the Son of God. I just don't adhere to the he11 doctrine. Have not seen you around here in these discussions before. Welcome

Thanks, this is the first time on these type threads been on the muzzleloader and hog hunting threads for a short time. These type discussions can get carried away so I don't want to offend anyone. Salvation and spiritual topics are very personal. It is fun to discuss without getting angry.

 

[Geezer Ray]

If God is "all knowing", then how did this happen. Just so you know, I am a devout believer in Jesus as the Son of God. I just don't adhere to the he11 doctrine. Have not seen you around here in these discussions before. Welcome

Its called free will. God allows us to think and choose.

 

[1gr8bldr]

Thanks, this is the first time on these type threads been on the muzzleloader and hog hunting threads for a short time. These type discussions can get carried away so I don't want to offend anyone. Salvation and spiritual topics are very personal. It is fun to discuss without getting angry.

This is a good forum. Somehow, the core group here, with widely varying beliefs, manage to debate each other, yet remain respectful. But it is hard to do without offending, because many beliefs are offensive. It all adds up to thought provoking conversation

 

[Artfuldodger]

This right here is a huge misunderstanding by non-believers. HE11 was never created for man, it was made for satan and his fallen angels. HE11 was increased in size after the fall of man in the Garden. Man was created perfect in the garden but disobeyed God and ate from the tree of knowledge, so sin entered the world and here we are today. But God never created He11 for man.

I'm not sure that is a big misunderstanding. Most folks realize He!! was made for satan and his angels and not man.
I've never read about he11 expanding after the fall though. Could you show me a verse or two about it?

I did find Isaiah 5:14. Lots of variations on interpretations but not may say He11 enlarged itself. Most say it enlarged it's jaws, throat, appetite or desire. Even saying it was hungry. Nothing about the fall but verses before make it appear to be Israel, Jerusalem, or Zion. The folks in the town are wicked.

Sheol has enlarged its throat and Jerusalem's splendor, her multitude, her din of revelry and the jubilant within her, descend into it.
Down go Zion's dignitaries, her masses, her crowds, and those who celebrate in her!
It gulps down the nobles of Jerusalem.

The grave's appetite increases. Maggots and worms will consume you.

This because the nobles in Zion did not pay attention to the deeds of God.

 

[Artfuldodger]

Its called free will. God allows us to think and choose.

Even with freewill God would still know that Adam would fall. He would already know that He11 would have to be large enough to accommodate man.

Remember the Word was with God before creation. He was already on standby for his future trip to the earth as a man.
The concept was in God's mind or Word. The Word was with God.

Just curious, if He11 had to be expanded, does that mean man will go there physically? I would think a lot of souls could fit in a spiritual place compared to a physical place. I could see why it would need to be expanded if literal.

Especially since it was "prepared" for evil spirits. Suddenly being expanded to take in resurrected humans. Might even have to add a little more sulfur.