All I see is someone who has a desire to twist what they see.
What do you think it says?
I look at my wife and children and don't see a God who wants to kill me. I see a God that gave his life for mine. I see a God that continues to call His creation back to him, even though it curses Him and throws rocks.
Game, set, match. If you can't see from what is evident in His creation then you you have made your decision.
You claim to have everything you believe set scientifically and mathematically, but you know you don't, you know this is a heart condition and not an intellectual decision.
I'd like to meet the "Christian" that wounded you so badly.
All I see is someone who has a desire to twist what they see.
What do you think it says?
I look at my wife and children and don't see a God who wants to kill me. I see a God that gave his life for mine. I see a God that continues to call His creation back to him, even though it curses Him and throws rocks.
Game, set, match. If you can't see from what is evident in His creation then you you have made your decision.
You claim to have everything you believe set scientifically and mathematically, but you know you don't, you know this is a heart condition and not an intellectual decision.
I'd like to meet the "Christian" that wounded you so badly.
If we can see aspects of Him in us or how the Universe is arranged I would say that he can be jealous, murderous, kind, indifferent, brutal, destructive, creative. Probably some other stuff.
With the kind You show Yourself kind; With the blameless You show Yourself blameless; With the pure You show Yourself pure, And with the crooked You show Yourself astute. For You save an afflicted people, But haughty eyes You abase.…
That He would ever show Himself at all is what is most often called...grace.
With the kind You show Yourself kind; With the blameless You show Yourself blameless; With the pure You show Yourself pure, And with the crooked You show Yourself astute. For You save an afflicted people, But haughty eyes You abase.…
That He would ever show Himself at all is what is most often called...grace.
Thanks for that honest, eloquent, and insightful response.
I agree that faith is the lynchpin of belief. I also agree that faith cannot be acquired by the exercise of logic. Madman disagrees. He believes that his faith is rooted in logic as far as I can tell. Maybe if you and he discussed that it would help me to see how you both arrived at belief.
You're welcome!
I really don't know what Madman believes but I am relatively sure that initial step toward God sure doesn't seem logical. It just gets easier with time and experience.
I rarely discuss things in this forum but I for one wanted you and others like you to know I do understand your dilemma. I simply want you and anyone who reads this to know you are infinitely more valuable to the God you do not know than you realize. I'm not one who comes here to prove anything to you. That is His doing and he doesn't need my help! I will just say that I will pray for that encounter you seek and also that you recognize it when it comes.
Wishing you only the best!
Israel, ambush has asked you at least a dozen times to explain what god looks like and sounds like. Ambush asks you personally because you often refer to seeing god and hearing god.
Is it that you have never seen or heard god but just use those adjectives to romanticise your writings?
If you have seen and heard god what does he look like? What does he sound like? How has he appeared to you and what did he say?
At this point I would even appreciate "There's a feeling I get when I look to the West and my spirit is crying for leaving." as an answer.
I contend that have "seen" Him only in your imagination.
It is as simply contended that you only see me in yours.
But then, as to all.
Even yourself.
In my imaginings there is enough room for both us.
And Him.
That's me laughing with joy, not derision.
Israel?Israel, ambush has asked you at least a dozen times to explain what god looks like and sounds like. Ambush asks you personally because you often refer to seeing god and hearing god.
Is it that you have never seen or heard god but just use those adjectives to romanticise your writings?
If you have seen and heard god what does he look like? What does he sound like? How has he appeared to you and what did he say?
In my imaginings there is enough room for both us.
And Him.
Yes. I would hope 'His' goodness comes your way far greater than I've experienced myself... I really mean that