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WaltL1 · Mar 23, 2017

j_seph said:
There is only one God, one creator. Almost sounds as you are confused or rather cannot make up your mind if there is one God or not. Like it says in 1 John, try the spirits. Until you experience it you will never understand and even then there will be no full understanding of it all.

1 John 4:1-5

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

Yeah we know, we know.
"There is only one God and he's the Christian God because the Christian book says so".

660griz · Mar 23, 2017

Islam:
“He is God: there is no god other than Him. It is He who knows what is hidden as well as what is in the open, He is the Lord of Mercy, the Giver of Mercy. He is God: there is no god other than Him, the Controller, the Holy One, Source of Peace, Granter of Security, Guardian over all, the Almighty, the Compeller, the Truly Great; God is far above anything they consider to be His partner. He is God: the Creator, the Originator, the Shaper. The best names belong to Him. Everything in the heavens and earth glorifies Him: He is the Almighty, the Wise.”

bullethead · Mar 23, 2017

The only way these gods continue to exist is because there is always some person, who's only interaction with a god is through words written by men, that convinces themselves they know an unknowable. The words they read are no different than all the others in all the other books written by "gods ".

j_seph · Mar 23, 2017

660griz said:
Islam:
“He is God: there is no god other than Him. It is He who knows what is hidden as well as what is in the open, He is the Lord of Mercy, the Giver of Mercy. He is God: there is no god other than Him, the Controller, the Holy One, Source of Peace, Granter of Security, Guardian over all, the Almighty, the Compeller, the Truly Great; God is far above anything they consider to be His partner. He is God: the Creator, the Originator, the Shaper. The best names belong to Him. Everything in the heavens and earth glorifies Him: He is the Almighty, the Wise.”

^Same God, different belief(religion) of how to get to heaven.

Although Islam is not mentioned directly in the Bible, there is recorded in the Bible an outline of the Arabic people as the Children of Abraham who inhabited the “eastern country”. The history of the Muslim peoples, therefore, begins with the prophet Abraham and his descendants through Ishmael, his firstborn son.
Genesis 16:15
15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.

660griz · Mar 23, 2017

j_seph said:
^Same God, different belief(religion) of how to get to heaven.

Although Islam is not mentioned directly in the Bible, there is recorded in the Bible an outline of the Arabic people as the Children of Abraham who inhabited the “eastern country”. The history of the Muslim peoples, therefore, begins with the prophet Abraham and his descendants through Ishmael, his firstborn son.
Genesis 16:15
15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.

Not quite that simple. There are numerous Muslims and Christians that do not believe it is the same god.
Just one example. There are many.

Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God?

With this desire for love in mind, I turn now to the question: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God? Like all good questions, the answer is more complex than most want, but I am confident of my position: Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God, but given the complexity of the matter we all ought to stop demonizing those who disagree with us.

bullethead · Mar 23, 2017

j_seph said:
Again, yes you can have blood test, DNA to scientifcally prove they are your Bio Parents. Your question was Is there anything in your life that you believe in prior to having evidence. You have no evidence other than you believe that they are your bio parents.

http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=745946&highlight=testimony

Have you ever seen someone whom is unsaved get convicted at church that they are headed to &#%^ get saved? When you see the true conviction it should be enough proof for anyone.

Friend of mine was called to preach. He ran from it not wanting to do it. He ended up having a wreck, was thrown out of the car. His bible was laying on the ground beside him, the only glass left in the car was a window that had a cross sticker on it. Even EMT could not believe he survived much less without major injuries.

Another friend, had most of his intestines removed and was told he wouldn't survive past 21. He past away in 2007 at 88 years old.

Prayers my wife has prayed for about her job, she went today from $7 something an hour to almost triple that an hour. Same job, doing same thing, same location, same employer.

How about the holy spirit get on someone? Have you seen it happen? Have you experienced it yourself? This ole boy right here cannot talk in front of more than about 2 people much less a group he knows and especially a group of over 100 he does not know. I will refuse and not do it period. It has been put on my heart before, more than once that I needed to say something at church. once was in front of the church of over 100 I did not know. There is no feeling like it and afterwards I will end up with legs a shaking like shooting that big buck.

I can somewhat understand why folks do not believe when they have never been around it nor opened their hearts up to it and only use their carnal minds and try to figure things out to get proof of something. One thing is for sure, as long as folks keep trying to prove there is not a God they still give the slightest hope to other non believers that maybe just maybe there is a God because no one can prove there isn't.

J-seph, do you have any family or friends or even know of one person that was an amputee and after praying to your god has regrown the limb?

bullethead · Mar 23, 2017

http://krishna.org/a-miracle/

A Miracle!

I began to sing my prayers to lord Nrsimha and as I was singing I thought I felt a presence of so kind of spiritual power in the room. I continued my prayers. When my prayer was complete, I bowed down fully in surrender. As I was giving my last prayer (while still in full surrender) I thought I heard a Lion roar somewhere in the background.

It was a warm sunny afternoon on a tuesday. I usually do my prayers around 4:30 p.m, normal worship time, but that day I had to go somewhere, so I did my prayers around 1:30 p.m. I first did my Radha Madhava prayers, Followed by a munghal aarti of Lord Krishna. Now comes the miracle. I began to sing my prayers to lord Nrsimha and as I was singing I thought I felt a presence of so kind of spiritual power in the room. I continued my prayers. When my prayer was complete, I bowed down fully in surrender. As I was giving my last prayer (while still in full surrender) I thought I heard a Lion roar somewhere in the background. I looked up after my prayer to admire the spiritual rupa of Lord Nrsimha and I saw real blood driping from the body of Hirenyakashipu, For a second I was scared, naturally you would be scared if something unexpected happened. But after a while I felt this esctatic joy within me, I felt so happy, even today I feel happy. Can anyone give me a reason why this miracle happened to me and not to the other thousands of devotees?

bullethead · Mar 23, 2017

https://krishnasmercy.com/2011/04/08/Everyday-Miracles/

bullethead · Mar 23, 2017

http://lordbalajimiracles.com/about/

bullethead · Mar 23, 2017

http://www.hinduism.co.za/miracles.htm

red neck richie · Mar 23, 2017

bullethead said:
The only way these gods continue to exist is because there is always some person, who's only interaction with a god is through words written by men, that convinces themselves they know an unknowable. The words they read are no different than all the others in all the other books written by "gods ".

Not true. I have had personal experiences that are confirmed by the written word. Peoples personal experience with God not just the written word alone confirms their faith. And no I don't believe in other Gods. My God goes by many names and is the one true God. Unknowable to people that don't want to know him. Usually people that have harden their spirit to protect themselves from feeling pain.

Miguel Cervantes · Mar 23, 2017

bullethead said:
The only way these gods continue to exist is because there is always some person, who's only interaction with a god is through words written by men, that convinces themselves they know an unknowable. The words they read are no different than all the others in all the other books written by "gods ".

What Gods do the Amazonian tribes that know no reading or writing worship?

bullethead · Mar 23, 2017

red neck richie said:
Not true. I have had personal experiences that are confirmed by the written word. Peoples personal experience with God not just the written word alone confirms their faith. And no I don't believe in other Gods. My God goes by many names and is the one true God. Unknowable to people that don't want to know him. Usually people that have harden their spirit to protect themselves from feeling pain.

You believe in only one more god than I do.
For the reasons that you don't believe in all those other gods are the same reasons I do not believe in yours.

If you dismiss the personal testimonies of other people of other faiths, which also follow and have been confirmed by their written word, then you can see why I dismiss yours.

bullethead · Mar 23, 2017

Miguel Cervantes said:
What Gods do the Amazonian tribes that know no reading or writing worship?

I was referring to the gods that get the most air time in here.

But, regarding your question I would say oral tradition.
Does that affirm the validity of their claims any more than written?
If their oral tradition exists is that evidence of their god (s) also existing?
Why do many of these tribes not know of Jesus without being told of him first?

And finally, what about the tribes that do not worship any gods? A while back I posted about a tribe that knows of no higher powers and frankly cant conceive of knowing something that they cannot know in person.

bullethead · Mar 23, 2017

https://daneverettbooks.com/about-dan/about-the-pirahas/
No god concept.
These people get along without any numbers in their language also.

bullethead · Mar 23, 2017

https://ffrf.org/publications/freet...rahae-people-who-define-happiness-without-god

Research Daniel Everett and his experiences as a missionary with the Piraha people when you get a chance.

red neck richie · Mar 23, 2017

bullethead said:
I was referring to the gods that get the most air time in here.

But, regarding your question I would say oral tradition.
Does that affirm the validity of their claims any more than written?
If their oral tradition exists is that evidence of their god (s) also existing?
Why do many of these tribes not know of Jesus without being told of him first?

And finally, what about the tribes that do not worship any gods? A while back I posted about a tribe that knows of no higher powers and frankly cant conceive of knowing something that they cannot know in person.

The Incans called him Viracocha. The Crow Indians called him Akbatatdia. The Aborigine called him Banaitja. Even in the bible different culture's called him by different names. He is the one true God. God the creator. How did ancient tribes with limited knowledge across the globe know about him? Because they felt his presence spiritually.

ambush80 · Mar 23, 2017

red neck richie said:
The Incans called him Viracocha. The Crow Indians called him Akbatatdia. The Aborigine called him Banaitja. Even in the bible different culture's called him by different names. He is the one true God. God the creator. How did ancient tribes with limited knowledge across the globe know about him? Because they felt his presence spiritually.

Now we're getting somewhere.

red neck richie · Mar 23, 2017

ambush80 said:
Now we're getting somewhere.

I thought you didn't believe in him because he tested Abraham. Plus a creator doesn't jive with your big bang theory.

ambush80 · Mar 23, 2017

red neck richie said:
I thought you didn't believe in him because he tested Abraham. Plus a creator doesn't jive with your big bang theory.

I'm saying that your thinking is becoming more nuanced.

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