Black Panthers???

[hazer]

I'm a new member and I'm wanting to get started on here. I reckon I might as well get started with a controversial topic. I could be wrong about all of this but this has always been my thought on this. So Jaguars are native and still live in parts of Mexico and most of South America, and used to roam around in the South West U.S. The last known killing of a jaguar in the US was a female in 1963. And the last sighting in the US was in 2016 in Arizona. Jaguars can be color phased and look very dark almost looking solid black, just as a black bear can be very light and cinnamon colored. Is it a possibility that some of these sightings of "black panthers" in the US are just color phased jaguars still roaming around? So maybe there's not black panthers in the US, But who says there's not any color phased jaguars roaming around. Very unlikely but it's not impossible. Tell me what y'all think.

 

[NCHillbilly]

I think no. First of all, there are no jaguars here in the southeast. And if somehow there were, why are they all black? Even in the native range of the jaguar, black ones are only known from the amazon basin, and they are very rare even there. Why does no one see regular jaguars? And seeing that it’s pretty much genetically impossible for our native panther to be black, it doesn’t look good for black panthers.
Could one possibly escape from a zoo or private owner? It’s possible. It probably wouldn’t survive long, and certainly wouldn’t start a breeding population. And why did the Indians and early explorers never encounter them?
In short, black panthers don’t exist here, no matter how much folks want them to. They are a recent, imaginary phenomenon.

 

[doenightmare]

I think no. First of all, there are no jaguars here in the southeast. And if somehow there were, why are they all black? Even in the native range of the jaguar, black ones are only known from the amazon basin, and they are very rare even there. Why does no one see regular jaguars? And seeing that it’s pretty much genetically impossible for our native panther to be black, it doesn’t look good for black panthers.
Could one possibly escape from a zoo or private owner? It’s possible. It probably wouldn’t survive long, and certainly wouldn’t start a breeding population. And why did the Indians and early explorers never encounter them?
In short, black panthers don’t exist here, no matter how much folks want them to. They are a recent, imaginary phenomenon.

Thread killa.

 

[Hillbilly stalker]

I saw one at the voting polls back in 2008 in Philadelphia . He was on his his hind legs tho

 

[C.Killmaster]

I think no. First of all, there are no jaguars here in the southeast. And if somehow there were, why are they all black? Even in the native range of the jaguar, black ones are only known from the amazon basin, and they are very rare even there. Why does no one see regular jaguars? And seeing that it’s pretty much genetically impossible for our native panther to be black, it doesn’t look good for black panthers.
Could one possibly escape from a zoo or private owner? It’s possible. It probably wouldn’t survive long, and certainly wouldn’t start a breeding population. And why did the Indians and early explorers never encounter them?
In short, black panthers don’t exist here, no matter how much folks want them to. They are a recent, imaginary phenomenon.

Here's the only true black mountain lion that ever existed, but he wasn't born black .

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[hazer]

I think no. First of all, there are no jaguars here in the southeast. And if somehow there were, why are they all black? Even in the native range of the jaguar, black ones are only known from the amazon basin, and they are very rare even there. Why does no one see regular jaguars? And seeing that it’s pretty much genetically impossible for our native panther to be black, it doesn’t look good for black panthers.
Could one possibly escape from a zoo or private owner? It’s possible. It probably wouldn’t survive long, and certainly wouldn’t start a breeding population. And why did the Indians and early explorers never encounter them?
In short, black panthers don’t exist here, no matter how much folks want them to. They are a recent, imaginary phenomenon.

Not here in the southeast no. Any “sighting” here is a black dog. But in the southwest it’s a possibility. People do see the regular colored ones, not often but they do. So who’s to say no ones ever seen a color phased one and say they saw a black panther.

 

[huntfish]

Sadly, even jaguars have poachers.

https://www.livescience.com/62949-arizona-jaguar-killed.html

 

[JustUs4All]

My theory on the famed black panther in the US is that nearly anything in dim light that is backlit will appear to be black. Therefore any cat like creature lit from the back will appear black in low light conditions (including a dog with it's head hidden). Folks seeing an animal that appears black and is about the right size and shape will combine this appearance with the old stories and "see" a black panther.

 

[Nicodemus]

This is the closest to a black panther any of us in this country will will ever see is this melanistic jaguar killed in Mexico back in the 1960s. This is even a rare beyond rare happening since nearly all of the few black jaguars are found on down in Southern Central and South America.

 

[fishfryer]

Jaguars are amazing animals,especially their strength. Saw a video about one killing caiman,unbelieveable. I would hate to think that they disappear.

 

[The Original Rooster]

All I know is that it would take a pretty strong bigfoot to hold that panther still long enough to paint him black...

 

[Throwback]

I'm a new member and I'm wanting to get started on here. I reckon I might as well get started with a controversial topic. I could be wrong about all of this but this has always been my thought on this. So Jaguars are native and still live in parts of Mexico and most of South America, and used to roam around in the South West U.S. The last known killing of a jaguar in the US was a female in 1963. And the last sighting in the US was in 2016 in Arizona. Jaguars can be color phased and look very dark almost looking solid black, just as a black bear can be very light and cinnamon colored. Is it a possibility that some of these sightings of "black panthers" in the US are just color phased jaguars still roaming around? So maybe there's not black panthers in the US, But who says there's not any color phased jaguars roaming around. Very unlikely but it's not impossible. Tell me what y'all think.

It’s more possible that the people seeing “black panthers” don’t know what they saw and imagined it was a “black panther”
most folks don’t even know what a bobcat looks like and they’re everywhere

 

[ucfireman]

I think in the SE no, Too many cameras out there. And no real pics.
Trail cams get pics of all kinds of critters we didn't know where there. Escaped Farmed bison, Water buffalo, peacocks, all kinds of snakes etc.
So I think if they can get pics of those animals that no one knew where there then if cougars or jaguars were around in the SE there would be pics.

 

[Nicodemus]

Who is this a picture of? Do you know the story behind it?

No, other than she was on a licensed jaguar hunt. There was a time when you could legally hunt them.

 

[Throwback]

No, other than she was on a licensed jaguar hunt. There was a time when you could legally hunt them.

In the book “20 great trophy hunts” there’s a story about a Jaguar hunt in South America

 

[Nicodemus]

In the book “20 great trophy hunts” there’s a story about a Jaguar hunt in South America

If you want some interesting reading about jaguar hunts, look up Sasha Siemel. He was a Tigrero.

You`ll like it, T.

 

[fishfryer]

If you want some interesting reading about jaguar hunts, look up Sasha Siemel. He was a Tigrero.

You`ll like it, T.

Nic,I have heard of a man called el Tigre del Norte,which I believe means something like tiger of the north. Could this be Sasha Sienel?

 

[huntfish]

If you want some interesting reading about jaguar hunts, look up Sasha Siemel. He was a Tigrero.

You`ll like it, T.

Dogs and a spear! Didn't need no firearm.

 

[NCHillbilly]

Peter Hathaway Capstick wrote some about jaguar hunting in South America, too.

 

[fishfryer]

Peter Hathaway Capstick wrote some about jaguar hunting in South America, too.

That may be where I heard of el Tigre delNorte,.