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No more "Boy Scouts"......
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So, you're teaching boys to be men by clipping coupons? No wonder they're inclusive.
Whitefeather
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slow motion
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Boys should be taught to be men by their fathers, grandfathers, etc. but doesn't always happen. Had a youngun who through scouts spent a lot of time with my boys, me n Sweet Thang. Won't bore you with all the story but found out a few years after the fact that he died from an OD of herion a couple years after high school graduation. We were devestated. Kids fall through the cracks sometimes. Sorry brother. Know yours was in jest. Just hit me. He was a good kid in a bad situation.
I can see that scouts could be good for city kids with clueless, uninterested or missing parents. But, if you are a parent with a kid, you should be teaching them this stuff yourself. I can teach one kid. I can teach two kids. Maybe three at one time, but that's pushing it. If you get a whole passle of kids together, such as a boy scout troop, you ain't gonna teach them a durn thing, because they're just gonna ignore you and pay attention to each other and do what they want. Every time I run into scout troops in the woods, I do not have a good impression at all. Bunch of little entitled snots feeding off each other. The scouts have long been a glorified babysitting organization for lazy parents. The scouts in the 40s and 50s were a serious organization that taught kids realistic life skills. The scouts nowadays are just another mealy-mouthed indoctrination, participation trophy, meaningless feely-good afraid of reality organization, IMO.
livinoutdoors
Goatherding non socialist bohemian luddite
Everything nowaday seems like it aint what it used to be. I imagine stuff like the boy scouts is no different. But its as good as its gonna get for some kids. Sad but true. Not everybodies parents cares nor knows how to teach.
Raylander
I’m Billy’s Useles Uncle.
I’ve seen them selling popcorn before.
Whenever I see kids trying to raise money I ask them a buncha questions.
Simple things like:
What’s the money for?
Where are you going?
What’s your favorite part?
Are you going to win?
Did your parents vote for Biden?
Their response dictates what I give them. I’ve handed one or two of them a benji for well crafted, enthusiastic responses. I do not care what they are raising money for (sports, scouts, etc). Boys need to learn to persuade and see results from it. If they don’t they will be in a world of hurt when/if they grow up
Whenever I see kids trying to raise money I ask them a buncha questions.
Simple things like:
What’s the money for?
Where are you going?
What’s your favorite part?
Are you going to win?
Did your parents vote for Biden?
Their response dictates what I give them. I’ve handed one or two of them a benji for well crafted, enthusiastic responses. I do not care what they are raising money for (sports, scouts, etc). Boys need to learn to persuade and see results from it. If they don’t they will be in a world of hurt when/if they grow up
Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are both a good thing.
Does this mean Girl Scouts are gone too ?
Does this mean Girl Scouts are gone too ?
Silver Britches
Official Sports Forum Birthday Thread Starter
Never even thought about being a boy scout, had way too many things I enjoyed doing outdoors with my father, or close friends. Always on the water or in the woods doing something. Same way to this day. But I knew some kids who joined boy scouts just to get away from their sorry, no good parents. I say if a kid wants to join, let them do so. But don’t force them into doing so. Same with sports.
GT90
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Next time maybe try and say something to the adult leaders in a non-confrontational, adult discussion. Let them know what the boys are doing and how it is affecting you and possibly others. The Scout leaders I knew would have stopped the action and explained why that action was unacceptable, as I would have when I was one.
Not everyone has the same life experiences and as such has the same knowledge, You might have been able to educate, through the adults, a group of Scouts.
And possibly overcome post #54 in your own way.
One of the places I fish regularly has a Scout Camp on a long point. I brought my boat up in a pocket and was fishing some blow downs. A couple young scouts were down by the waters edge being friendly and asking how the fishing was, they weren’t bothering me in anyway. One of the leaders up on th hill hollered down “ Hey boys come on back up the hill and leave the man alone he’s trying to catch fish”. They went up the hill.
So I guess it’s like anything else and depends on were your at on how the scouts and leaders handle things.
So I guess it’s like anything else and depends on were your at on how the scouts and leaders handle things.
GT90
Senior Member
I truly do not understand why on an outdoor forum there is this much dislike for Scouting. I would think getting youngsters into the outdoors would be appreciated and maybe even celebrated. Scouting is designed to teach leadership, social skills, introductory knowledge of many topics (merit badges), and a number of other things most here would think are right and appropriate.
Let's take a look at some of the things Scouting enforces...
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
A Scout is:
Trustworthy
Loyal
Helpful
Friendly
Courteous
Kind
Obedient
Cheerful
Thrifty
Brave
Clean
Reverent
Are all outings perfect...no. Do kids do kid things that are wrong...yes.
Humans are not perfect, especially 10-18 yr olds.
And how many times have folks on here complained about poor hunter activity/etiquette? Should we stop hunting?
While not for all, Scouting is based on much that is preached on this forum. I truly do not understand the animosity towards a construct that is pro outdoors, God, charity, kindness, and leadership.
Please take the politics out of the situation and look at the high level benefits of what youngsters could be learning.
Let's take a look at some of the things Scouting enforces...
On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
A Scout is:
Trustworthy
Loyal
Helpful
Friendly
Courteous
Kind
Obedient
Cheerful
Thrifty
Brave
Clean
Reverent
Are all outings perfect...no. Do kids do kid things that are wrong...yes.
Humans are not perfect, especially 10-18 yr olds.
And how many times have folks on here complained about poor hunter activity/etiquette? Should we stop hunting?
While not for all, Scouting is based on much that is preached on this forum. I truly do not understand the animosity towards a construct that is pro outdoors, God, charity, kindness, and leadership.
Please take the politics out of the situation and look at the high level benefits of what youngsters could be learning.
I don't have any reason to interact with boyscout leaders. It's not my choice to mentor them.
And for your information, over the years, I have done countless demonstrations and classes for boy scouts. Flintknapping, arrow making, hide tanning, friction fire starting, etc. Most of those times, I have felt like they didn't learn a thing, because there are 20 kids laughing and carousing with each other, not paying the first lick of attention or interest to what I said, they were worried about impressing each other. And their "leaders" didn't seem to encourage them to pay attention. So, you go do it. I've given my pound of flesh.
If they actually taught and enforced those things, it would be good. They did in the 50s. Now, it's just another group of unruly kids ignoring their "leaders."
Shane Dockery
Senior Member
Here, here!
GT90
Senior Member
And that is a shame. But I bet you got through to more than one and they found what you were doing interesting and paid attention.
Just curious, were the groups only Boy Scouts, or were Cub Scouts and Webelos included? They later two are younger and I can definitely see an issue keeping those age groups' attentions given the material. Not disregarding your experience at all. Just looking for reasons you experienced what you did.
And thank you for putting in the effort you did. I for one would have loved to have had a presenter/teacher with that knowledge in front of my Scouts.
GT90
Senior Member
Some troops do teach and enforce those things. Scouting, while a national organization, is mostly driven at the local level.
In regards to the last sentence, isn't that close to what every older generation says about the younger one? "Dang hippie freaks from the 70's just as an example."
poohbear
Senior Member
Let me start by saying I was a scout back in the day and yes I had a father that taught me everything outdoors hunting and fishing . In my experience we had leaders that we grew up with and most of the other scouts you could tell some of the boys in there didn’t grow up that way and knew nothing of camping and servicing outdoors but they learned from all of us that had. Our leaders didn’t push the issue on gaining rank as much as they should I only made life scout I wish I would have made eagle it would have been something to be proud of. But we went on a lot of trail hikes and seen some intersting places that I enjoyed the trips were enjoyable and even though we didn’t get rank we learned a lot . But I do disagree with where they are headed now do not like one bit . So back in the day it was fun today not so much. But like they say all things come to a end.
mrs. hornet22
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hopper
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What a shame. I always thought the scouts would be kinda fun but I was to busy being cool in elementary school and didn't think I could wear that uniform. Unfortunately being cool didn't teach me much. I did think it was kinda of weird when my cousin was old enough to drive himself to his boy Scout meatings. I always just assumed it was for younger kids
