Renowned atheist says he believes in God

Jeff Phillips

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Associated Press
Published on: 12/09/05
NEW YORK — A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday.


At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England.


Flew said he's best labeled a deist like Thomas Jefferson, whose God was not actively involved in people's lives.


"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."


Flew first made his mark with the 1950 article "Theology and Falsification," based on a paper for the Socratic Club, a weekly Oxford religious forum led by writer and Christian thinker C.S. Lewis.


Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while teaching at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele, and Reading universities in Britain, in visits to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, articles, lectures and debates.


There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife.


Yet biologists' investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the new video, "Has Science Discovered God?"


The video draws from a New York discussion last May organized by author Roy Abraham Varghese's Institute for Metascientific Research in Garland, Texas. Participants were Flew; Varghese; Israeli physicist Gerald Schroeder, an Orthodox Jew; and Roman Catholic philosopher John Haldane of Scotland's University of St. Andrews.


The first hint of Flew's turn was a letter to the August-September issue of Britain's Philosophy Now magazine. "It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism," he wrote.


The letter commended arguments in Schroeder's "The Hidden Face of God" and "The Wonder of the World" by Varghese, an Eastern Rite Catholic layman.


This week, Flew finished writing the first formal account of his new outlook for the introduction to a new edition of his "God and Philosophy," scheduled for release next year by Prometheus Press.


Prometheus specializes in skeptical thought, but if his belief upsets people, well "that's too bad," Flew said. "My whole life has been guided by the principle of Plato's Socrates: Follow the evidence, wherever it leads."


Last week, Richard Carrier, a writer and Columbia University graduate student, posted new material based on correspondence with Flew on the atheistic www.infidels.org Web page. Carrier assured atheists that Flew accepts only a "minimal God" and believes in no afterlife.


Flew's "name and stature are big. Whenever you hear people talk about atheists, Flew always comes up," Carrier said. Still, when it comes to Flew's reversal, "apart from curiosity, I don't think it's like a big deal."


Flew told The Associated Press his current ideas have some similarity with American "intelligent design" theorists, who see evidence for a guiding force in the construction of the universe. He accepts Darwinian evolution but doubts it can explain the ultimate origins of life.


A Methodist minister's son, Flew became an atheist at 15.


Early in his career, he argued that no conceivable events could constitute proof against God for believers, so skeptics were right to wonder whether the concept of God meant anything at all.


Another landmark was his 1984 "The Presumption of Atheism," playing off the presumption of innocence in criminal law. Flew said the debate over God must begin by presuming atheism, putting the burden of proof on those arguing that God exists.
 

StriperAddict

Senior Member
Interesting...

There are a lot of scientists who, by close inspection of the facts, have changed from atheist to believing in God.
 

dixie

Senior Member
ROFL and being 81 MAY have a lot to do with it!!!
 

Jeff Phillips

Senior Member
dixie said:
ROFL and being 81 MAY have a lot to do with it!!!

I thought about that too.

Could this be an insurance policy??? ;)
 

StriperAddict

Senior Member
Eternal Life Insurance is the best kind...
:D
 

BANDERSNATCH

Senior Member
I've known about this for some time now. I believe it was earlier this year that he made this announcement. Yet another brilliant thinker that can't reject the evidence against abiogenesis.

No doubt Flew was a very intelligent man.

I like what he said...."I have to go where the evidence leads". Advice well heeded!

Bandy
 

LadyRoadkill

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Our Pastor at our old church in Georgia always calls them "professed" atheists because it's funny how when they get into some dire situation, or some catastrophe, etc. how the first thing out of their mouths is "O, God, help me" or just plain the name of God, or "God, save me!". Why don't they call on whatever it is they DO believe??? :crazy:
 

redlevel

Senior Member
dixie said:
ROFL and being 81 MAY have a lot to do with it!!!

I read it this morning and thought the same thing. He says he is a Deist and still does not believe in an afterlife.

I figure he'll get Baptized before he's 82.
 

Handgunner

Senior Member
I seen a joke the other day, on here I think...

An atheist is fishing one day when the loch-ness monster comes out of the water and grabs him. He's fighting for his life and says "Help me, God!?!?".

The world stops.

A voice booms down from the Heavens "I thought you did not believe in ME?". The voice questions.

To which the atheist says "Cut me some slack, two minutes ago I didn't believe in the Loch Ness monster either!!!".

:rofl: :bounce:

Amazing at how when you reach a certain point in your life, you become less hard-headed and more soft-hearted. :)
 
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