The NRA

[notnksnemor]

I read tremendous amounts of information from many different sources. I can't seem to recall or find any stories on the onslaught against gun ownership. As a gun owner and ccw permit holder, I don't see where the hysteria is based in any fact

To clarify, you're saying there is no effort to take away guns in this country?

 

[steeleagle]

To clarify, you're saying there is no effort to take away guns in this country?

I'm saying there is no onslaught against gun ownership. That is madeup. With approximately ~300M guns in the hands of private citizens, I'm not sure how anyone can say otherwise.

 

[Miguel Cervantes]

I'm saying there is no onslaught against gun ownership. That is madeup. With approximately ~300M guns in the hands of private citizens, I'm not sure how anyone can say otherwise.

So what do gun laws and the call for more gun laws and suspension of sale of certain guns do?

 

[steeleagle]

So what do gun laws and the call for more gun laws and suspension of sale of certain guns do?

Prevent people who shouldn't have guns from getting them.

 

[wareagle700]

Prevent people who shouldn't have guns from getting them.

And laws prevent crime, right? Florida should make it illegal to shoot up a school. Solid plan.

You do understand that the 2nd amendment protects the 1st don't you?

 

[Jester896]

Prevent people who shouldn't have guns from getting them.

criminals that shouldn't have guns do not go through the same channels that law abiding citizens do...that would only restrict law abiding citizens...would have absolutely no affect on the other.

 

[killerv]

being mentally ill makes you automatically a criminal?

 

[Jester896]

I would think a mentally ill person would have to commit a crime before they were considered a criminal.

and if they have ever been committed or adjudicated as mentally defective they can't purchase a weapon through normal channels.

Those questions are under 11 on the form already in place that law abiding citizens have to use when they purchase through an FFL dealer.

 

[steeleagle]

criminals that shouldn't have guns do not go through the same channels that law abiding citizens do...that would only restrict law abiding citizens...would have absolutely no affect on the other.

Simply not true. Recent Examples include: Texas shooter (Bought at Academy), Parkland school, Las Vegas.

 

[wareagle700]

Simply not true. Recent Examples include: Texas shooter (Bought at Academy), Parkland school, Las Vegas.

How do you propose we screen "future" criminals? By restricting the rights of everyone?

Even if those shooters had a prior criminal record and couldn't pass a background check, they could still get a gun through private sale, most likely within a few hours if they really wanted one. How do propose we stop that? Disarm everyone thats willing to follow the law?

PS: As for this:

The NRA has proven over and over, that they are in favor of abolishing private property and freedom of speech rights. Examples include:

1. Georgia' law that employers MUST allow guns on their property

Employer property is separate from privately owned vehicles. Unelss your personal car is part of their fleet, they don't own your car or whats inside it. It's not their property to dictate what you can or cannot have in it. That would be a violation of private property and is why the NRA was in support of changing it.

 

[Jester896]

Simply not true. Recent Examples include: Texas shooter (Bought at Academy), Parkland school, Las Vegas.

are you suggesting that all 3 of these were convicted felons?

if the TX shooter filled out his 4473 improperly, where was the fail in the system? I certainly wasn't the 30 rd mags or the MSRs I posses, yet you want to restrict me for some odd reason.

The Parkland School shooter and Las Vegas shooter had a criminal records? First I remember hearing that.

I think you are confused about when they became felonious in the eyes of the system.

 

[bullgator]

I'm saying there is no onslaught against gun ownership. That is madeup. With approximately ~300M guns in the hands of private citizens, I'm not sure how anyone can say otherwise.

So as long as you have the guns you want, I guess he Second Amendment isn't threatened .

 

[steeleagle]

How do you propose we screen "future" criminals? By restricting the rights of everyone?

Even if those shooters had a prior criminal record and couldn't pass a background check, they could still get a gun through private sale, most likely within a few hours if they really wanted one. How do propose we stop that? Disarm everyone thats willing to follow the law?

PS: As for this:



Employer property is separate from privately owned vehicles. Unelss your personal car is part of their fleet, they don't own your car or whats inside it. It's not their property to dictate what you can or cannot have in it. That would be a violation of private property and is why the NRA was in support of changing it.

This is scary. On my private property, I make the rules. If u say no blue cars.. So be it..... If I tell you, no guns... No guns. Should you not like my rules, go get another job.....again, the nra supports the government taking away rights from others for their own agenda. Tyranny.

 

[tcward]

This is scary. On my private property, I make the rules. If u say no blue cars.. So be it..... If I tell you, no guns... No guns. Should you not like my rules, go get another job.....again, the nra supports the government taking away rights from others for their own agenda. Tyranny.

NRA takes away rights? What in the heck are you talking about?

 

[GoldDot40]

Employer property is separate from privately owned vehicles. Unelss your personal car is part of their fleet, they don't own your car or whats inside it. It's not their property to dictate what you can or cannot have in it. That would be a violation of private property and is why the NRA was in support of changing it.

I was under the impression that if the employer's lot is secured, enclosed in a fence with a secured, gated entrance that the employer's policy supersedes the whole 'vehicle is an extension of your home' rule. Did I not read that at GA Carry's website?

 

[wareagle700]

This is scary. On my private property, I make the rules. If u say no blue cars.. So be it..... If I tell you, no guns... No guns. Should you not like my rules, go get another job.....again, the nra supports the government taking away rights from others for their own agenda. Tyranny.

Your property your rules, nobody will argue that. It just happens that someone else's vehicle isn't your property.

No, the NRA does not support taking away any people's rights.

 

[wareagle700]

I was under the impression that if the employer's lot is secured, enclosed in a fence with a secured, gated entrance that the employer's policy supersedes the whole 'vehicle is an extension of your home' rule. Did I not read that at GA Carry's website?

I haven't seen that specific statement, I know employers can state that they prohibit firearms on their property though. Seems unclear whether or not that's enforceable by law or just against their policy and grounds for termination since other places of business with signs posted are just store policy and carry no legal weight.

 

[Jester896]

https://georgia.gov/popular-topic/gun-laws

When I park my vehicle in the employee lot and leave my firearm locked out of sight in the vehicle, can my employer search my car?

If you own your car and you hold a current weapons carry license, your employer cannot search the vehicle without reason. If your car belongs to your employer's fleet, however, you do not have full control over searches and must speak directly with your employer.


Source: Official Code of Georgia. This information was prepared as a public service of the State of Georgia to provide general information, not to advise on any specific legal problem. It is not, and cannot be construed to be, legal advice.

 

[GoldDot40]

https://georgia.gov/popular-topic/gun-laws

When I park my vehicle in the employee lot and leave my firearm locked out of sight in the vehicle, can my employer search my car?

If you own your car and you hold a current weapons carry license, your employer cannot search the vehicle without reason. If your car belongs to your employer's fleet, however, you do not have full control over searches and must speak directly with your employer.

Looks like a slippery slope. I am a firm believer in 'out of sight - out of mind'. HOWEVER, the "without reason" part seems sketchy. If your employer has a no firearm policy and another employee has a beef with you and decides to rat you out for having a firearm in your vehicle, it seems that the employer can request to see inside your vehicle and/or simply fire you.

Of course, GA is an 'at will' employment state and can fire a person without specific reason. This is where the laws could come into play. If your employer fires you...then tells you to vacate the premises...and you refuse. You are guilty of criminal trespass.

Then, here's what the GA code actually says...
Scroll down to the section I highlighted in red. Looks like the employer can infringe on your rights in specific environments.

Title 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
Chapter 11 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY
Article 4 - DANGEROUS INSTRUMENTALITIES AND PRACTICES
Part 3 - CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS
The code sections are all Copyright © 2017 by The State of Georgia

O.C.G.A.§ 16-11-135
Public or private employer's parking lots; right of privacy in vehicles in employer's parking lot or invited guests on lot; severability; rights of action

(a) Except as provided in this Code section, no private or public employer, including the state and its political subdivisions, shall establish, maintain, or enforce any policy or rule that has the effect of allowing such employer or its agents to search the locked privately owned vehicles of employees or invited guests on the employer's parking lot and access thereto.

(b) Except as provided in this Code section, no private or public employer, including the state and its political subdivisions, shall condition employment upon any agreement by a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from entering the parking lot and access thereto when the employee's privately owned motor vehicle contains a firearm or ammunition, or both, that is locked out of sight within the trunk, glove box, or other enclosed compartment or area within such privately owned motor vehicle, provided that any applicable employees possess a Georgia weapons carry license.

(c) Subsection (a) of this Code section shall not apply:

(1) To searches by certified law enforcement officers pursuant to valid search warrants or valid warrantless searches based upon probable cause under exigent circumstances;

(2) To vehicles owned or leased by an employer;

(3) To any situation in which a reasonable person would believe that accessing a locked vehicle of an employee is necessary to prevent an immediate threat to human health, life, or safety; or

(4) When an employee consents to a search of his or her locked privately owned vehicle by licensed private security officers for loss prevention purposes based on probable cause that the employee unlawfully possesses employer property.

(d) Subsections (a) and (b) of this Code section shall not apply:

(1) To an employer providing applicable employees with a secure parking area which restricts general public access through the use of a gate, security station, security officers, or other similar means which limit public access into the parking area, provided that any employer policy allowing vehicle searches upon entry shall be applicable to all vehicles entering the property and applied on a uniform and frequent basis;

(2) To any penal institution, correctional institution, detention facility, jail, or similar place of confinement or confinement alternative;

(3) To facilities associated with electric generation owned or operated by a public utility;

(4) To any United States Department of Defense contractor, if such contractor operates any facility on or contiguous with a United States military base or installation or within one mile of an airport;

(5) To an employee who is restricted from carrying or possessing a firearm on the employer's premises due to a completed or pending disciplinary action;

(6) Where transport of a firearm on the premises of the employer is prohibited by state or federal law or regulation;

(7) To parking lots contiguous to facilities providing natural gas transmission, liquid petroleum transmission, water storage and supply, and law enforcement services determined to be so vital to the State of Georgia, by a written determination of the Georgia Department of Homeland Security, that the incapacity or destruction of such systems and assets would have a debilitating impact on public health or safety; or

(8) To any area used for parking on a temporary basis.

(e) No employer, property owner, or property owner's agent shall be held liable in any criminal or civil action for damages resulting from or arising out of an occurrence involving the transportation, storage, possession, or use of a firearm, including, but not limited to, the theft of a firearm from an employee's automobile, pursuant to this Code section unless such employer commits a criminal act involving the use of a firearm or unless the employer knew that the person using such firearm would commit such criminal act on the employer's premises. Nothing contained in this Code section shall create a new duty on the part of the employer, property owner, or property owner's agent. An employee at will shall have no greater interest in employment created by this Code section and shall remain an employee at will.

(f) In any action relating to the enforcement of any right or obligation under this Code section, an employer, property owner, or property owner's agent's efforts to comply with other applicable federal, state, or local safety laws, regulations, guidelines, or ordinances shall be a complete defense to any employer, property owner, or property owner's agent's liability.

(g) In any action brought against an employer, employer's agent, property owner, or property owner's agent relating to the criminal use of firearms in the workplace, the plaintiff shall be liable for all legal costs of such employer, employer's agent, property owner, or property owner's agent if such action is concluded in such employer, employer's agent, property owner, or property owner's agent's favor.

(h) This Code section shall not be construed so as to require an employer, property owner, or property owner's agent to implement any additional security measures for the protection of employees, customers, or other persons. Implementation of remedial security measures to provide protection to employees, customers, or other persons shall not be admissible in evidence to show prior negligence or breach of duty of an employer, property owner, or property owner's agent in any action against such employer, its officers or shareholders, or property owners.

(i) All actions brought based upon a violation of subsection (a) of this Code section shall be brought exclusively by the Attorney General.

(j) In the event that subsection (e) of this Code section is declared or adjudged by any court to be invalid or unconstitutional for any reason, the remaining portions of this Code section shall be invalid and of no further force or effect. The General Assembly declares that it would not have enacted the remaining provisions of this Code section if it had known that such portion hereof would be declared or adjudged invalid or unconstitutional.

(k) Nothing in this Code section shall restrict the rights of private property owners or persons in legal control of property through a lease, a rental agreement, a contract, or any other agreement to control access to such property. When a private property owner or person in legal control of property through a lease, a rental agreement, a contract, or any other agreement is also an employer, his or her rights as a private property owner or person in legal control of property shall govern.

HISTORY: Code 1981, § 16-11-135, enacted by Ga. L. 2008, p. 1199, § 7/HB 89; Ga. L. 2009, p. 8, § 16/SB 46; Ga. L. 2010, p. 963, § 1-9/SB 308; Ga. L. 2015, p. 805, § 7/HB 492; Ga. L. 2016, p. 443, § 13-3/SB 367.

 

[Jester896]

"PURPOSE Sec. 101.
The Congress hereby declares that the purpose of this title is to provide support to Federal, State, and local law enforcement officials in their fight against crime and violence, and it is not the purpose of this title to place any undue or unnecessary Federal restrictions or burdens on law-abiding citizens with respect to the acquision , possession, or use of firearms appropriate to the purpose of hunting, trapshooting, target shooting, personal protection, or any other lawful activity, and that this title is not intended to discourage or eliminate the private ownership or use of firearms by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, or provide for the imposition by Federal regulations of any procedures or requirements other than those reasonably necessary to implement and effectuate the provisions of this title."

Collective punishment is what any one of these gun control issue pushes. I think that is the tyranny the NRA fights against rather than create tyranny themselves.

Even under the Geneva Convention Collective Punishment is a war crime it seems.

I remember having a conversation with a DHS/USSS agent. They asked me to come to a compound and look at something for them. I was already in route somewhere else prior to stopping in and informed them that I had a weapon and nowhere to safely put it prior my arrival. I was told, "As long as you leave it in your vehicle it will be OK."