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The Dangers of Blending Politics and Deer Management
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Miguel Cervantes
Jedi Master
Kip doesn't like baiting with corn piles. We get it, so he writes an article that makes it look bad when legislators back step when faced with enough public pressure against a policy the public doesn't like.
In America that is called the Governing being accountable to the Governed and is how our system of law is set up. Not sure what system of law or alternative government system he'd like to see.
In America that is called the Governing being accountable to the Governed and is how our system of law is set up. Not sure what system of law or alternative government system he'd like to see.
shdw633
Senior Member
They hadn't started all the supplemental feeding hype to begin with we wouldn't be wanting to hunt over corn piles. Prior to QDMA everyone just went hunting, then they started with all this one to one ratio and supplemental feeding, herd management, etc, etc and now everyone is doing just that but they found they had better success in their management of the herd when they used corn so now they want it legalized so they don't get in trouble for it if it is in the vicinity. So if QDMA doesn't like whats going on they only have themselves to blame for it.
deepwater
Senior Member
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Spotlite
Resident Homesteader
I remember the magazines coming out with pictures of a couple of does and a spike, and sometimes it would be a young buck and a doe with the question “Which one do you shoot”.
Then they had just bucks in the picture and had a long story about potential and culling bucks.
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I got it rite because the spike ran off.
Oh I get it now that was hypothetical
Eeerrrr that didn’t really happen.
Spotlite
Resident Homesteader
No that was just you getting busted before you found out about scent kill
Browning Slayer
Official Voice Of The Dawgs !
I agree... You shouldn’t mix politics and deer management. 2 things could fix all of our issues.
1. Fire David Knight..
2. Let the private sector manage their local herd like they’ve been doing for years. With habitat improvements.
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Chief Big Taw
all mala prohibita laws are politically based.
NorthGaHunter
Senior Member
Yes, politicians can really screw things up all in pursuit of a vote. I can see politicians should listen to their constituents but there are a few instances where decisions should not be made based entirely on what the people they represent are requesting.
All the people in the northern zone saying if the southern zone can bait then the northern half should be able to do it too. Well I disagree with the thinking the whole state should be allowed to bait. IMO the extreme north Georgia counties should be excluded from baiting...specifically counties such as Union, Towns, Fannin, Lumpkin, Gilmer, Rabun, etc. The deer population in the north Georgia mountains have been declining for a very long time. Baiting on public land will never be allowed but there is a lot of private land that adjoins the national forest/mountain WMA's. If baiting is allowed on private land, then that can very well be disastrous for a deer heard that is already struggling. The north Georgia mountains are unique in that most game depend on acorns in the fall / winter. In years where the is a mast failure, the people baiting on private land can very well decimate what very few deer that are left.
All the people in the northern zone saying if the southern zone can bait then the northern half should be able to do it too. Well I disagree with the thinking the whole state should be allowed to bait. IMO the extreme north Georgia counties should be excluded from baiting...specifically counties such as Union, Towns, Fannin, Lumpkin, Gilmer, Rabun, etc. The deer population in the north Georgia mountains have been declining for a very long time. Baiting on public land will never be allowed but there is a lot of private land that adjoins the national forest/mountain WMA's. If baiting is allowed on private land, then that can very well be disastrous for a deer heard that is already struggling. The north Georgia mountains are unique in that most game depend on acorns in the fall / winter. In years where the is a mast failure, the people baiting on private land can very well decimate what very few deer that are left.
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Chief Big Taw
For the sake of argument wouldn't food plots do the same if no food drives them to where the food is on private lands?
NorthGaHunter
Senior Member
Yes they could but due to the terrain you can't just plant a food plot anywhere. Also it takes more effort to establish a food plot as opposed to throwing some corn out. There are fields where you will see a lot of deer when food is scarce but those areas get limited hunting pressure from those that have access to hunt them. Legalizing baiting in the mountain counties will pretty much allow anyone to go buy a bag of corn throw it out and thus having a bigger impact in more remote areas away from fields/food plots.
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one hogman
Senior Member
Where were QDMA in 2011?? and why hasn't the deer herd been destroyed in the SZ Especially with all the competition from the Hogs and bears?? and finally IF you are against baiting just don't bait, how simple is that!!!
one hogman
Senior Member
Another thing that makes your argument invalid is all the Chattahoochee National Forest, WMAs, and Federal land in the north where you can't bait..........
The DNR is proposing to make the Chattahoochee NF the northern zone where baiting 200 yards and out of sight will become legal.
But state law specifically says elsewhere baiting on fed lands is not allowed.
A judge will decide this if the DNR goes there.
Why make a place where baiting is by law illegal , a place where baiting will be declared legal?
But state law specifically says elsewhere baiting on fed lands is not allowed.
A judge will decide this if the DNR goes there.
Why make a place where baiting is by law illegal , a place where baiting will be declared legal?
Browning Slayer
Official Voice Of The Dawgs !
spurrs and racks
Banned
wow.... when I told fellow hunters that your game regulations and laws had been guided by QDMA policies I was chastised. At least now you people can see it in print for yourself.
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red neck richie
Senior Member
Just because you put corn out doesn't mean you have to kill every deer that comes to it. If there are that few deer in that area perhaps you should be preaching trigger control.
The hypocrisy with this issue has been unreal for years. QDMA on one hand endorses supplemental feeding but opposes baiting using the spread of disease as their main reason for doing so. I was at the DNR public meeting in Thomson last night when the Director of GWF stood up and spoke against baiting because of the spread of disease. Remember GWF is the sponsor of the Buckarama.How many feeders and supplemental feeds/attractants have you seen while walking around the Buckarama over the years?
Meriwether Mike
Senior Member
Man is always best when left to his own devices?
After all it took sound wildlife management principles to bring the deer and turkey back from near extinction in Georgia. Lets throw those principals away for our own convenience? You want your corn. Good luck with it.
After all it took sound wildlife management principles to bring the deer and turkey back from near extinction in Georgia. Lets throw those principals away for our own convenience? You want your corn. Good luck with it.
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