The History Of Muslim Violence

Lowjack

Senior Member
Subject: Fwd: The History of Muslim Violence
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:23:52 +0000 (UTC)


Written by a Lebanon-born Christian woman, documenting the centuries
of murderous Islamic attacks on non-Muslims

Wednesday, June 10, 2009

An open letter to President Obama from Brigitte Gabriel


(received via email)



Dear Mr. President,

You face difficult challenges in matters such as achieving peace in
the Middle East and protecting America from the threat of radical
Islam and terrorism. These are challenges that have vexed past
presidents, going as far back as our second president, John Adams. I
have no doubt you appreciate both the gravity of these challenges and
the enormous obstacles that exist to solving them.

I also have no doubt that you and your staff understood that, no
matter what you said in your speech last Thursday in Cairo, there
would be those who would take issue with you. That is always the case
when attempting to solve problems that are as deep and
emotionally-laden as these challenges are.

I am assuming it is your sincere hope that the approach you have
chosen to take, as evidenced by what I’m sure was a carefully crafted
speech, will ultimately prove successful. However, it pains me to say
this sir, but, while you said in your speech that you are a “student
of history,” it is abundantly clear that, in these matters, you do
not know history and thus, as Santayana noted, you are doomed to
repeat it. In doing so your efforts, however well-intentioned they
may be, will not produce what you profess to hope they will produce.

A wise man once said that if you start with the wrong assumptions, no
matter how logical your reasoning is, you will end up with the wrong
conclusion. With all due respect Mr. President, you are starting with
certain assumptions that are unsupported by history and an objective
study of the ideology of political Islam.

You began in your speech by asserting that “tensions” exist between
the United States and Muslims around the world, which, of course, is
correct. Unfortunately, you then proceeded, incorrectly, to lay
virtually all the blame for these tensions at the feet of America and
the West. You blamed western colonialism, the Cold War , and even
modernity and globalism.

A student of American history, who is not trying to reconstruct it to
fit a modern politically correct narrative, would state that tensions
between America and Muslims began with the unprovoked, four-decades
long assault by the Muslim Barbary pirates against American shipping
in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I find it telling that you
mentioned the Treaty of Tripoli in your speech but ignored the
circumstances that led to it. That treaty was but one of numerous
attempts by the United States to achieve peace with the jihadists of
the Barbary Coast who were attacking our shipping and killing and
enslaving our citizens and our soldiers and who by their own
admission were doing so to fulfill the call to jihad .

These jihadists were not acting to protest American foreign policy ,
which was decidedly isolationist, and there was no state of Israel to
scapegoat. They were doing what countless Islamic jihadists have done
throughout history acting upon the hundreds of passages in the
Qur’an and the Hadith that call upon faithful Muslims to kill,
conquer or subjugate the infidel.

A student of world history would know that, for all the acknowledged
evils of Western colonialism, these evils pale in comparison to the
nearly 14 centuries of Islamic colonialism that began in Arabia under
the leadership of Mohammed. The student of history would know that
Islamic forces eradicated all Jewish and Christian presence from
Arabia after Mohammed’s death, and then succeeded in conquering all
of North Africa , most of the Middle East , much of Asia Minor, and
significant portions of Europe and India eventually creating an
empire larger than Rome’s was at its peak.

The number of dead and enslaved during these many centuries of
Islamic imperial conquest and colonialism have been estimated to
total more than 300 million. What’s more, the wealth of many of the
conquered nations and cultures was plundered by the Islamic
conquerors, and millions of millions of non-Muslims who did survive
were forced to pay onerous taxes, such as the “jizya,” a humiliation
tax to the Islamic caliphs. Indeed, in some areas Christians and Jews
were made to wear a receipt for the jizya around their neck as a mark
of their dishonor.

These facts have not been invented by Christian or Jewish historical
revisionists, but were chronicled by Muslim eyewitnesses throughout
the past 14 centuries and are available to be researched by any
person seeking an objective understanding of how Islam spread
throughout the world.

You say in your speech that we must squarely face the tensions that
exist between America and the Muslim world . That is a laudable
notion with which I agree, but by casting Islam as the historical
victim and the West (and by implication, America) as the aggressor,
you do not face these tensions squarely, but alleviate the Muslim
world from coming to grips with the jihadist ideology embedded in its
holy books and acted upon for 1,400 years.

Even worse, you empower and embolden militant Islamists who regard
your gestures as signs of weakness and capitulation.

The issue is not that all Muslims are terrorists or radicals or
extremists. We all know that the majority of Muslims are not. We also
know that many peace-loving Muslims are victims of Islamist violence.

The issue is this: what drives hundreds of millions of Muslims
worldwide to call for the death of Jews?

What drives millions of Muslims to riot, destroy property, and take
innocent lives in reaction to the Danish cartoons?

What drives tens of thousands of Muslims to demand the execution of a
British teacher whose only “crime” was allowing her students to name
their teddy bears “Mohammed”?

What drives countless Muslims worldwide to actively participate in,
or fund, or provide nurture to, terrorist organizations?

What drives Muslims in mosques in America to proclaim and distribute
materials that call for hatred of and the destruction of infidels?

What drives entire Islamic countries to prohibit the building of a
Christian church or synagogue?

To assume, as you apparently do, that what drives these actions is
not an ideology embedded in the holy books of Islam, but rather other
“root causes,” most of which you lay at the feet of America and the
West, is at best naïve and at worst dangerous.

Lastly, I must address your statement that “Islam has a proud
tradition of tolerance.” Unfortunately, the examples you gave are the
exception rather than the rule.

Historically speaking, I seriously doubt the Egyptian Copts, the
Lebanese Maronites, the Christians in Bethlehem, the Assyrians, the
Hindus, the Jews, and many others who have been persecuted by Islamic
violence and supremacism, would agree with your assertion.

For instance, Christians and Jews became “Dhimmis,” a second class
group under Islam. Dhimmis were forced to wear distinctive clothing;
it was Baghdad’s Caliph Al-Mutawakkil , in the ninth century, who
designated a yellow badge for Jews under Islam, which Hitler copied
and duplicated in Nazi Germany nearly a thousand years later.

I witnessed first-hand the “tolerance” of Islam when Islamists
ravaged my country of birth, Lebanon , in the 1970’s, leaving
widespread death and destruction in their wake. I saw how they
re-paid the tolerance that Lebanese Christians extended toward them.
My experience is not an isolated one. When you make an unfounded
assertion about the “proud tradition” of tolerance in Islam, you do a
great disservice to the hundreds of millions of non-Muslims who have
been killed, maimed, enslaved, conquered, subjugated or displaced in
the cause of Islamic jihad.

Mr. President, those of us like me who are ringing the alarm in
America about the threat of radical Islam would like nothing better
than to peacefully co-exist with the Muslim world. Most Americans
would like nothing better than to peacefully co-exist with the Muslim
world. The obstacle to achieving this does not lie with us in America
and the West. It lies with the hundreds of millions of Muslims
worldwide, including many of their spiritual leaders, who take
seriously the repeated calls to jihad in the Qur’an and the Hadith.
Who regard “infidels” as inferior and worthy of conquering,
subjugating and forcibly converting. Who support “cultural jihad” as
a means to subvert non-Muslim societies from within. Who take
seriously the admonitions throughout the Qur’an and the Hadith to
convert the world to Islam by force if necessary and bring it under
the rule of Allah.

Unless you are willing to courageously and honestly accept this, your
aspirations for worldwide comity and peace in the Middle East are
doomed to fail.

Sincerely,

Brigitte Gabriel
Note :I recommend the 2 books Ms. Gabriel has writen
 

WTM45

Senior Member
One only needs to look as far back as our own American History books to see examples of religious belief system endorsed violence as well.

It's never wrong to strive for peace while maintaining a defensive posture.
 

gtparts

Senior Member
One only needs to look as far back as our own American History books to see examples of religious belief system endorsed violence as well.

It's never wrong to strive for peace while maintaining a defensive posture.

You are correct. It is not wrong to work for peace. Sometimes it is just a foolish waste of time and energy. What you and others may not realize is that radical Muslims are not really trying to provoke war. They are playing for the End Game. They have only one goal and all the time we will allow them. If it is enough, they win. If it is not, they will continue to wait us out and wear us down. They have been playing chess for 1500 years and they play it well.

( While this thread may have "spiritual" ties, the truth is that Islam is, at its very core, a political ideology with a religious context. Sometimes the religious aspect is very thin veneer. It is better suited to the PF than the SDDSF.)
 

WTM45

Senior Member
You are correct. It is not wrong to work for peace. Sometimes it is just a foolish waste of time and energy. What you and others may not realize is that radical Muslims are not really trying to provoke war. They are playing for the End Game. They have only one goal and all the time we will allow them. If it is enough, they win. If it is not, they will continue to wait us out and wear us down. They have been playing chess for 1500 years and they play it well.

( While this thread may have "spiritual" ties, the truth is that Islam is, at its very core, a political ideology with a religious context. Sometimes the religious aspect is very thin veneer. It is better suited to the PF than the SDDSF.)

Oh, but that game is not unique only to Islam, my friend.:biggrin2:

China just might be smarter overall than the entire lot!
 

gtparts

Senior Member
Oh, but that game is not unique only to Islam, my friend.:biggrin2:

China just might be smarter overall than the entire lot!

I know. I am concerned that we may be less adept at it.....or that our pointman, BHO is not on the same skill level, as it were.





Besides, "defense" inevitably means "over here"!
 

WTM45

Senior Member
Agreed.
Never before has "beans and bullets" meant so much as it does today.
Friends, keep your powder dry, your metal oiled and your edge sharp.
I've never been one to prevent anyone from praying either!:biggrin3:
 

BeenHuntn

Banned
an email from a watchman...

i receive emails from a watchman who monitors the things that are going on around the world and applies them to prophecy... he sent me this email a few days ago... it might add to this thread a little... i have not confirmed any of it or researched but the info came from an expert in the field of islam... just a little tidbit of info on the same subject.


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MUSLIM DANGERS AROUND THE WORLD
By Percentages of the Population
From Pastor Jason Barlow
Received December 3, 2009

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77..5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

Today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. The wolves will be herding the sheep as Obama has appointed two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts.
Obama and Janet Napolitano appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.
DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano also swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...?

Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn't this make you feel safer already??

Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood? Please forward this important information to any who care about the future of our respective countries.
 

earl

Banned
truthtellers.org

One of the most vehement and prolonged persecutions of Christians is taking place today in southern Israel. In Arad, a community of Messianic Christian Jews has been under relentless harassment by the surrounding ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Haridim. These Orthodox literal interpreters of the Talmud and Kabbalah are especially numerous among settlements in the outlying regions and occupied territories. They believe Christians and Gentiles are animals without souls. To them, "Jewish apostates" (Messianic Jews) are worthy of death.

The horrifying truth is revealed in testimony from Lura Maiman Beckford, a Jewish Christian missionary to Arad, and Schmulik Eitan, a secular Jew and tour guide of the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem.

Both report that daily harassment and discrimination occur against Christians in Arad. Local police actually encourage the Haridim, often watching as the Orthodox mock, insult, and assault Christians.

According to Beckford, the government of Israel has adopted a hands-off approach. Israel’s Foreign Ministry says the fault lies with the Christians who should expect such a reaction if they attempt to win Jews away from the faith of their fathers.



Must be something in the water over there.
 

earl

Banned
Bump for violence.
 

earl

Banned
John 16:33 (New International Version)

33"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

Didn't want you to hyper extend them typing fingers.

I bet in some shape or fashion , you can find that same thought in all religions. Kind of like ''God is good.''
 

BCPerry

Senior Member
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And people say I'm paranoid for thinking muslims are slowly trying to take over.
 

tell sackett

Senior Member
John 16:33 (New International Version)

33"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

Didn't want you to hyper extend them typing fingers.

I bet in some shape or fashion , you can find that same thought in all religions. Kind of like ''God is good.''
Nah, I just like to put the reference down so maybe ya'll will go look it up and read it.:D

The point of the verse is that Christ is assuring those that believe in Him that even though we will suffer affliction and persecution in this world, it is but what Paul described as a "light affliction" because Christ has overcome death, he11 and the grave for us. This world isn't our home, we're just passing through!:yeah:
 

mcbrayerg

Senior Member
When are we, as Christians, gonna realize that the separation of church and state is a good thing. Since our country runs as a republic/democracy we have to realize that the majority holds the power. Although constitutional amendments have been written to protect the rights of minorities amendments can be overturned (see prohibition.) The "islamization" that has occurred in other countries could just as easily occur here. If we allow majority rule to combine religion with government we are setting ourselves up to allow the islamization of America. We have got to stop ruling or attempting to rule by what we think is best for us and do what is best for the country. That means getting religion out of politics and taking away any opportunity for any religion to infiltrate the American system of government.
 

CRT

Senior Member
I would agree with the separation of church and state. If I remember correctly, Jesus did to.
 

BeenHuntn

Banned
When are we, as Christians, gonna realize that the separation of church and state is a good thing. Since our country runs as a republic/democracy we have to realize that the majority holds the power. Although constitutional amendments have been written to protect the rights of minorities amendments can be overturned (see prohibition.) The "islamization" that has occurred in other countries could just as easily occur here. If we allow majority rule to combine religion with government we are setting ourselves up to allow the islamization of America. We have got to stop ruling or attempting to rule by what we think is best for us and do what is best for the country. That means getting religion out of politics and taking away any opportunity for any religion to infiltrate the American system of government.

separation of "religion" and gov't? yes

but separation of having ALL who are in the gov't to be
True Christians? No...

if you study the founding documents of the states in the beginning of this country you will see that gov't officials were not allowed to become gov't officials unless they took an oath that they were protestant Christians...

if they were anything other than protestants... sorry, you cant be a gov't official...

should gov't and religion mix? no, but all gov't officials should be true Christians...

at least thats what the original design of this country was... and if you think about what God says in His Word... if He puts the rulers in power... He would want nothing less than all who are in the gov't to be His children...

we're not there anymore... instead we have a group of bandits running the lives of 300 million... what a shame.
 

ambush80

Senior Member
in the Political Forum there's a lot of talk about killing all the Muslims, well almost all of them. What is the Biblical principal regarding this notion?
 
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