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Old 09-18-2011, 09:40 AM
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Here's the deal. My son shot a deer with a rage bout 815 this am. The deer whirled at the shot and he feels the arrow smacked him square in the shoulder. He said got a little less than half the arrow length in penetration. We gonna wait til 1230 to go try and find his deer. The deer didn't bolt at the shot. Just loped off. He said no blood at point of impact but didnt go any farther looking for fear of spooking the deer. Whatcha think? Any chance of recovery? The penetration is what concerns me. We'll see in a little bit.
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Old 09-18-2011, 10:02 AM
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half an arrow of penetration is into the opposite shoulder, plenty of penetration. Go find him.

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Old 09-18-2011, 10:06 AM
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Good luck man give us an update! If you live near Coweta CO I'd be more than happy to help you look.
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Old 09-18-2011, 11:11 AM
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Half an arrow. That's at least 12 - 14". The average deer is 14" wide. Go get your deer.
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Old 09-18-2011, 11:50 AM
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Half an arrow. That's at least 12 - 14". The average deer is 14" wide. Go get your deer.
x2 sounds like a dead deer to me.
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:11 PM
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half an arrow of penetration is into the opposite shoulder, plenty of penetration. Go find him.

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x2 dead deer if thats the case!
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:20 PM
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Sounds like a dead deer. Good luck
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:26 PM
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Were is the picture of the dead deer.
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:29 PM
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Found that deer yet? We are waiting......
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Old 09-18-2011, 01:14 PM
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2:23 pm you guys have any luck finding him? come on man some of had to stay home bound this weekend. please i am living thru you guys today.
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:23 PM
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Good luck, hope you find it.
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Let us know asap.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:26 PM
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Maybe he's just too busy skinning it to post that they found it. *crossing fingers*
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I keep checking but now I see he is looking at the post now :-)
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I keep checking but now I see he is looking at the post now :-)
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Old 09-18-2011, 08:03 PM
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Well guys no luck. Waited til 1230 to get on trail. Found one small speck of blood close to impact spot. Spent 45 minutes looking for the next spot only to find it close to 40 yds away. Started trailing decent blood then it would stop. Pick it up again then lose it. Long story short we looked til 400 and covered probably 300 yds through the woods til it ran out at the edge of a 100 acre cotton field. Waded in cotton til it got chest high and gave up. Never found the arrow. Assuming its still in him. Just don't know what happened. Blood never looked like lung blood. Never found where he laid down. Maybe it wasnt a lethal hit. Just dont know. If you hunt long enough, is gonna happen.
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Old 09-18-2011, 08:19 PM
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I hate that for ya. Like you said, if you hunt long enough it WILL happen. Take it in stride and on to the next hunt. I missed my first deer I shot at with a bow a couple years ago and am waiting to redeem myself. I'm sure it will be running through my mind when I draw back on the next.
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Old 09-18-2011, 08:22 PM
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Sorry to hear the story end like this, I know a bunch of folks were following this thread pretty closely with their fingers crossed! You are right that it's an unavoidable eventuality for any bow hunter though. I remember the deer lost more than the ones recovered sometimes! Sounds like you guys gave it all you had though, if anything changes let us know!
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Sorry man. It happens to the best of us.
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I had the same thing happen to me last year with a rage. A shoulder shot is hard to track when it doesn't come out the other side. The bone around the arrow will stop most of your blood and keep it internal.
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Old 09-19-2011, 05:57 AM
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It's hard enough to get a fixed blade through the shoulders much less a Rage. That's why I plan for the worse case scenerio when hunting and shoot a fixed blade. Not saying it would have done the job, but you've got slightly better odds with a smaller cutting diameter head. Maybe it was slightly high and he'll get another chance at the deer.
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:21 AM
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Im not here to bash but I had the exact same shot Sat. evening on a doe at 30yd shot with a rage. Didnt hit the bone, but did hit the tendon right above the elbow. That was enough to keep the rage from passing through?? After I shot I saw the arrow hanging out, and as she turned to run I saw it fly in the air. When I recovered my arrow it had only penetrated about 12". It was a well placed shot and got both lungs. Thank goodness I put a good shot on her and she only ran 40yds. The blood was great around the impact area, but the closer I got to her it was dwindling fast. If there had been an exit hole the trail would have been a little easier to follow (I do believe). If she had ran any further Im not sure I would have found her. In my honest opinion, after trying the rage, I think that Two 1-1/4 holes (Entry and Exit) are better than one 2" hole. I tried giving rage a fighting chance, but after shooting 4 deer with them, two NON-pass throughs, and one that was put in the boiler room and had to trail it 150yds with a spec of blood about every 20yds, then add in this instance from Sat. Not to mention that every one has been damaged so badly that the blades had to be replaced, they are just too high maintenance and expensive as well. I have 5 rage heads for sale HAHA, all have been shot except for one (I believe), and have a few replacement blade as well. PM Me if interested. Oh yeah, the reason I dont have six is because one is still laying in a creek bottom (from last year) after the deer took off with the arrow. I found the cheap end, but not the rage end.

Im with "bow only" on this one. I am going back to a fixed head for now and will be experimenting with some smaller diameter expandables.

Im sorry to hear about your lost deer. Live and learn. Thank the Lord I havnt lost one yet! (Fingers Crossed)

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Old 09-20-2011, 07:37 AM
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This is purely an observation but if you watch a lot of the hunting shows that are sponsored by Rage guess what you see? A lot of deer running off with the arrow hanging out of them without passing through. When they do go all the way through they sure do dump a lot of blood. It only makes sense that an expandable with a huge blade is going to be more likely to succumb to loss of energy and penetration more quickly than a head with a smaller cutting diameter. I have shot deer with expandables but I have faith in fixed blade broadheads. I want two holes consistently. I have killed 95 percent of my deer with a Muzzy which I have set aside for this season. I am shooting Ramcats and killed my first with one Saturday. They fly just like my FP's and based on all the research I have done even low poundage rigs are getting pass throughs on big hogs. A deer is much easier to shoot through than a big boar. I certainly would feel more comfortable shooting a low poundage rig with fixed blades. I have never failed to achieve great penetration with a Muzzy but I have lost deer with them due to shot placement. It is my experieince with Muzzy that if you do shoot a deer through both shoulders with a decently weighted arrow (400 plus grs) at 270 fps plus that the arrow will blow through both shoulders at 30 yds or less.
I wish your son the best of luck on the next one. Tell him to keep his chin up! Maybe he'll get another shot at her later.
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I helped my cousin track a small buck he shot last sat. with a rage 2 blade. Now, I will say we found the deer but he shot it slightly quartered to him, and he had a good entry hole through the ribs and the exit behind the ribs on the opposite side was the size of the arrow! blades broke off somewhere inside, with no shoulder bone in sight!! I don't trust them. It seems they need to shorten the furrel and thicken the blades to make these more durable.
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