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[Branchminnow]

3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Says nothing of ONLY women

This is so simple .......vs 12 specifically says "let the deacons be the husband of one wife," very clear to me.

 

[dawg2]

Verse 12 is the key in all of the scripture, NOT taking just that verse above all other scripture but that verse is key.

This is so simple .......vs 12 specifically says "let the deacons be the husband of one wife," very clear to me.

I am sorry, I thought you said 13. My mistake.


What about 11?

11) Wives likewise must be reverent, not slanderers, vigilant, faithful in all things.

In classical and Hellenistic Greek the word translated “wives” has multiple meanings: a woman, a female in the generic sense, or a man’s wife. This is not the same as english meanings, but other languages have this same generic meaning. For example, the German word Frau can mean either woman or wife. Senora in Spanish can mean someone's wife or a woman.

 

[jneil]

QUESTION: What are God's judgments?
Here are some...
*IDOLATERS (those who love self, anyone, or anything more than their God) are headed for the lake of fire
*THOSE WHO TAKE GOD'S NAME IN VAIN and THOSE WHO CURSE THEIR NEIGHBORS will be cursed by God
*THOSE WHO DISHONOR THEIR PARENTS will be ****************** forever
*THOSE WHO INDULGE IN PREMARITAL SEX or EXTRAMARITAL SEX will suffer the eternal torments of fire and brimstone
*HOMOSEXUALS will bear the fierce vengeance of their HOLY CREATOR on the Day of Woe and Doom
*FILTHY PORN-ADDICTS will suffer everlasting punishments
*DRUNKARDS will sup the cup of the wrath of Almighty God
*THOSE WHO MURDER (esp. PRO-CHOICERS who murder innocent babies) will experience the terrible second death
*WITCHES AND SORCERERS will bow to Jesus and confess He is Lord before being bound hand and foot and cast into ************
*LIARS will be condemned by their own words
*THIEVES will pay for their crimes in the courtroom of eternal justice
*THOSE WHO DO NOT SUBMIT TO JESUS will be judged "Guilty" by Him on JUDGMENT DAY, and be cast into eternal hellfire
(See Exodus 20, I Corin. 6:9-11, Galat. 5:19-21, Matt. 5:27-30, Ephes. 5:5-6, Colos. 3:5-6, Revel. 21:8 & 22:14-15...)
***The Bible tells us why so many do not understand preaching on judgment. It is because they are evil fools, destitute of all wisdom and knowledge!
"EVIL MEN understand not judgment, but they that seek the Lord understand all things." (Proverbs 28:5). "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction." (Prov.1:7; see also Prov.9:7-10)
(Exhert from Dr. Patrick Johnson,The Right Remedy)

All this time I thought God was forgiving.

 

[Branchminnow]

I am sorry, I thought you said 13. My mistake.


What about 11?

11) Wives likewise must be reverent, not slanderers, vigilant, faithful in all things.

In classical and Hellenistic Greek the word translated “wives” has multiple meanings: a woman, a female in the generic sense, or a man’s wife. This is not the same as english meanings, but other languages have this same generic meaning. For example, the German word Frau can mean either woman or wife. Senora in Spanish can mean someone's wife or a woman.

No I am sorry my mistake. I remembered incorrectly I had to go back and read it. I apologize. (mans imperfection evident here)

AS far as vs 11 the wives must be just that or maybe I missed your question.

 

[dawg2]

AS far as vs 11 the wives must be just that or maybe I missed your question.

In classical and Hellenistic Greek the word translated “wives” has multiple meanings: a woman, a female in the generic sense, or a man’s wife. This is not the same as english meanings, but other languages have this same generic meaning. For example, the German word Frau can mean either woman or wife. Senora in Spanish can mean someone's wife or a woman.

 

[Branchminnow]

In classical and Hellenistic Greek the word translated “wives” has multiple meanings: a woman, a female in the generic sense, or a man’s wife. This is not the same as english meanings, but other languages have this same generic meaning. For example, the German word Frau can mean either woman or wife. Senora in Spanish can mean someone's wife or a woman.

I guess Im not as smart as you in all your translations and possible meanings it still means woman and thats means wife. therefore a deacon cannot be a woman.

 

[dawg2]

I guess Im not as smart as you in all your translations and possible meanings it still means woman and thats means wife. therefore a deacon cannot be a woman.

Not trying to prove anybody smarter or not, but there are some translation eccentricities in the Bible, that do not necessarily mean the same as they do once translated into English nor Old English from their original tongues.

 

[PWalls]

Pastors and Deacons are specific roles detailed in the New Testament for men only.

 

[PWalls]

Why yes Jason the church is run as a democracy.

No Jason it's not Biblical.

The Church is led by the Pastor. The Deacons are only servants and are under the Pastor's guidance and leadership. They are to handle the more mundane things (pay the electric bill, make sure the lawn is mowed, help with benevolence, etc) in the Church so that the Pastor can focus on being a Pastor. The Church "votes" on the mundane issues. That is all.

 

[dawg2]

Pastors and Deacons are specific roles detailed in the New Testament for men only.

Can you provide scripture to that effect?

 

[PWalls]

Can you provide scripture to that effect?

I believe that Branch did that already (1 Timothy Chapter 3 verses 1 through 13). The verses that Timothy were inspired to write gave clear descriptions of the qualifications for Pastors and Deacons. Those scriptures detail specifically that they were to be "husbands of one wife" and were to be rulers or heads of their households (a job for a man per other scripture). Uses the word "his" household. Uses the word "man". That is plain and simple to understand.

 

[SBG]

I believe that Branch did that already (1 Timothy Chapter 3 verses 1 through 13). The verses that Timothy were inspired to write gave clear descriptions of the qualifications for Pastors and Deacons. Those scriptures detail specifically that they were to be "husbands of one wife" and were to be rulers or heads of their households (a job for a man per other scripture). Uses the word "his" household. Uses the word "man". That is plain and simple to understand.

Amen!

 

[dawg2]

I believe that Branch did that already (1 Timothy Chapter 3 verses 1 through 13). The verses that Timothy were inspired to write gave clear descriptions of the qualifications for Pastors and Deacons. Those scriptures detail specifically that they were to be "husbands of one wife" and were to be rulers or heads of their households (a job for a man per other scripture). Uses the word "his" household. Uses the word "man". That is plain and simple to understand.

Amen!

What about Galations 3:28

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[jneil]

I can't figure out why men and women aren't equal when it come to religion.

 

[alphachief]

My family worked in churches and Christian schools throughout my childhood. I don't have toes and fingers enough to count the number of times I witnessed "men of God" use their position in the church to intimidate and for their own financial, sexual, or authoritarian benefit. Decisions like this should be made by the congregation...not the minister...not the deacons...the entire congregation.

 

[PWalls]

What about Galations 3:28

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

What's so hard to understand. We are all equal in God's eyes. That is absolutely true and wonderful. However, God created two specific roles in Scripture for a man to do. That is the office of Bishop (Pastor) and Deacon. Doesn't mean a woman is less important than a man. Just that God had a specific role for a man to do.

 

[SBG]

What's so hard to understand. We are all equal in God's eyes. That is absolutely true and wonderful. However, God created two specific roles in Scripture for a man to do. That is the office of Bishop (Pastor) and Deacon. Doesn't mean a woman is less important than a man. Just that God had a specific role for a man to do.

Amen!

The scriptures are spiritually discerned.

 

[Branchminnow]

The scriptures are spiritually discerned.

Hallelujah!

 

[PWalls]

What's so hard to understand. We are all equal in God's eyes. That is absolutely true and wonderful. However, God created two specific roles in Scripture for a man to do. That is the office of Bishop (Pastor) and Deacon. Doesn't mean a woman is less important than a man. Just that God had a specific role for a man to do.

One other thing to add: There is a third role for man. That is "head of the household". I personally have failed miserably at this in the past. I have pushed some things on my wife and strained our marriage at times by being "lazy" and letting her "handle it" and not giving the support I should. I am better than I was and am still growing here. Way too easy to come home from work and plop down on that easy chair.

 

[Branchminnow]

One other thing to add: There is a third role for man. That is "head of the household". I personally have failed miserably at this in the past. I have pushed some things on my wife and strained our marriage at times by being "lazy" and letting her "handle it" and not giving the support I should. I am better than I was and am still growing here. Way too easy to come home from work and plop down on that easy chair.

I think all of male gender can do better if they just would, and mostly with two person working households if the man would put morte into the day to day marraiges would last a lifetime not just till the kids are grown.