Banned From Church

[Double Barrel BB]

I feel slighted...

Sorry Dawg2,

Didn't mean to hurt your feeling. If it makes you feel better I was including you when I said the "one of the few Catholic authorities on this board"

Hopefully that will make you feel better...

DB BB

 

[dawg2]

Sorry Dawg2,

Didn't mean to hurt your feeling. If it makes you feel better I was including you when I said the "one of the few Catholic authorities on this board"

Hopefully that will make you feel better...

DB BB

I was just messing with you.

 

[Double Barrel BB]

I was just messing with you.

I know! Figured I would mess back...

DB BB

 

[leroy]

There is no retirement when you are a deacon or a preacher. Not pickin at you just the way we believe.

Not sure what the point is here unless it was the 3 yr term. We have inactive and active deacons in our Church. Inactive are still ordained Deacons all the same just not actively serving on the board at the time. Biblical qualifications are in there to something I did not put in my original post, no women, not divorced, good standing in Church. This system works well for our Church I know others do it differently.

 

[Branchminnow]

point being.......there is acalling to be a deaconas well as a preacher. Its spiritual, its lifelong dedication to the care of the church.

 

[leroy]

point being.......there is acalling to be a deaconas well as a preacher. Its spiritual, its lifelong dedication to the care of the church.

Agreed. didnt mean to imply that it was not.

 

[dawg2]

Not sure what the point is here unless it was the 3 yr term. We have inactive and active deacons in our Church. Inactive are still ordained Deacons all the same just not actively serving on the board at the time. Biblical qualifications are in there to something I did not put in my original post, no women, not divorced, good standing in Church. This system works well for our Church I know others do it differently.

Why no female Deacons?

 

[60Grit]

Why no female Deacons?

OH BOY !!!! Here we go.....

 

[jneil]

Why no female Deacons?

Woohoo!!

 

[dawg2]

OH BOY !!!! Here we go.....

Woohoo!!

Just curious...

 

[Branchminnow]

Just curious...

Scripture WONT back it up.


Read over in timothy and you find out why.


You may ask why dont I tell you where to look well over in proverbs the scripture says "Iron sharpeneth Iron as a man sharpeneth the council of his friend". Point being you will get more out of it if you run your own references after you read it.

You may already know what it says....but its very plain to me why they cannot be deacons.

OK OK OK folks I bit now he can set the hook.

 

[dawg2]

Scripture WONT back it up.


Read over in timothy and you find out why.


You may ask why dont I tell you where to look well over in proverbs the scripture says "Iron sharpeneth Iron as a man sharpeneth the council of his friend". Point being you will get more out of it if you run your own references after you read it.

You may already know what it says....but its very plain to me why they cannot be deacons.

OK OK OK folks I bit now he can set the hook.

Are you referring to 1 Timothy 3?

 

[AthensMarine]

Reminds me of why I hate "religion".

 

[60Grit]

You may ask why dont I tell you where to look well over in proverbs the scripture says "Iron sharpeneth Iron

.

A bit of advice that more than a few on here would benefit by practicing.


Dawg2, I suppose asking them to read Canon XLVIII would be futile?

 

[PJason]

A bit of advice that more than a few on here would benefit by practicing.


Dawg2, I suppose asking them to read Canon XLVIII
would be futile?

 

[jimmy_mac]

Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged

I have held off on any response to this until now. If you have never walked in your Brothers shoes then it's hard to understand. I was kicked out of a large church. It was devistating to say the least. All because I was not a yes man. I did not agree on a project that was going on and spoke my peice about it. All was cool till I stumbled a bit on the worldly man that was still inside me. I went to one of the Pastors for help and to talk. He took what I said to him in private and turned it around and spread it all over the church. We were in the middle of voting in new Deacons. Well the head of the deacon commity phoned me and ask could I bring my wife and come to a meeting, this was under the pretense that I had been nominated by several others to be a deacon. When I got to the meeting, it was not to talk about deacon things but to chastize me and my wife over what I had shared with that Pastor in private. I did not really want this to be public business. To make a long story shorter, I was removed from choir and some other areas of ministery as was my wife. Then I was told that I was not fit to be in any leadership position. I blew my top and we left the meeting. I was phoned the next day and asked to come back in for another meeting. I did and it was for them to tell me how bad my wife was...
That did it, I threaten a law suit for slander, they told me to get out. I did have my attornies write a letter to the leaders of the church, I got an appology from the pastors involved. I am still without a church home and that has been 3 years ago.






Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged "JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED" is often quoted by THE HYPOCRITES to those who PUBLICLY OPPOSE SIN.
Let's look at the passage in its context:
MATTHEW 7:1-5:
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."
Clearly, it is hypocritical judgment that this Scripture condemns. (Look at verse 6, and 13-15 to see that Christ actually instructs them to make judgments!) A hypocritical judgment is judging something for something of which you are also guilty - LIKE TELLING ME NOT TO JUDGE WHEN YOU ARE JUDGING ME! This passage means the opposite of what hypocrites often interpret it to mean! Jesus' point is for hypocrites to pluck the beam of sin out of their own eye so that they can see clearly to cast the mote out of their neighbor's eye.
Let's look at some other Scriptures...
JOHN 7:14: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
LUKE 12:57: "Yea, and why not even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"
PSALM 37:30: "The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment."
PROVERBS 31:9: "Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy."
LUKE 17:3: "Take heed... If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him."
LEVITICUS 19:15-17: "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor. Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbor: I am the Lord. Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him."
EZEKIEL 22:2 & 23:36: "Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? Yea, thou shalt show her all her abominations... The Lord said moreover unto me, Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? Yea, declare unto them their abominations."
ISAIAH 58:1: "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins."
MATTHEW 3:2,7: John the Baptist preaching, "Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"
MATTHEW 23: Jesus publicly rebuked the hypocrites, "Woe unto you... hypocrites!...ye blind guides...fools...full of extortion and excess...whited sepulchres...full of hypocrisy and iniquity...Woe unto you...Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the ****ation of ****?"
ACTS 7:51: Deacon Stephen said to the mob that ended up stoning him, "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in hearts and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." (Read the whole chapter - No fear-of-man patty cake here!)
ACTS 13:10: The Apostle Paul says to a man who hindered the Gospel, "O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?"
ACTS 8:20-23: Here the Apostle Peter severely rebukes a baby Christian who commits one sin: "Thy money perish with thee... Thy heart is not right in the sight of God.Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitter-ness, and in the bond of iniquity."
I CORINTHIANS 2:15; 6:2-3: "He that is spiritual judgeth all things... Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life?"
JOHN 3:18-19: "He that believeth on Him (JESUS) is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already,because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
JOHN 12:48: JESUS CHRIST said, "He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
***It is God that sets the standard and passes the judgment. We simply pass on the information.
No man has any right to define what is right and wrong - ONLY God! Those who reject God's laws and judgments and trust in their own judgments are the ones guilty of judging in the worst sense of the word. For example, the person that says premarital sex is okay is judging just as much as the person who says it is sin. What right do you have to judge another human being? (It works both ways.) God is the ultimate Judge, and it is up to us to submit unto His judgments. The Psalmist said,
"With my lips have I declared all the judgments of THY mouth." (Psalm 119:13) Whose judgments do you declare?
QUESTION: What are God's judgments?
Here are some...
*IDOLATERS (those who love self, anyone, or anything more than their God) are headed for the lake of fire
*THOSE WHO TAKE GOD'S NAME IN VAIN and THOSE WHO CURSE THEIR NEIGHBORS will be cursed by God
*THOSE WHO DISHONOR THEIR PARENTS will be ****************** forever
*THOSE WHO INDULGE IN PREMARITAL SEX or EXTRAMARITAL SEX will suffer the eternal torments of fire and brimstone
*HOMOSEXUALS will bear the fierce vengeance of their HOLY CREATOR on the Day of Woe and Doom
*FILTHY PORN-ADDICTS will suffer everlasting punishments
*DRUNKARDS will sup the cup of the wrath of Almighty God
*THOSE WHO MURDER (esp. PRO-CHOICERS who murder innocent babies) will experience the terrible second death
*WITCHES AND SORCERERS will bow to Jesus and confess He is Lord before being bound hand and foot and cast into ************
*LIARS will be condemned by their own words
*THIEVES will pay for their crimes in the courtroom of eternal justice
*THOSE WHO DO NOT SUBMIT TO JESUS will be judged "Guilty" by Him on JUDGMENT DAY, and be cast into eternal hellfire
(See Exodus 20, I Corin. 6:9-11, Galat. 5:19-21, Matt. 5:27-30, Ephes. 5:5-6, Colos. 3:5-6, Revel. 21:8 & 22:14-15...)
***The Bible tells us why so many do not understand preaching on judgment. It is because they are evil fools, destitute of all wisdom and knowledge!
"EVIL MEN understand not judgment, but they that seek the Lord understand all things." (Proverbs 28:5). "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction." (Prov.1:7; see also Prov.9:7-10)
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Written by King Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived, in Ecclesiastes 12:13-14.

(Exhert from Dr. Patrick Johnson,The Right Remedy)

 

[Branchminnow]

Are you referring to 1 Timothy 3?

Verse 12 is the key in all of the scripture, NOT taking just that verse above all other scripture but that verse is key.

 

[dawg2]

A bit of advice that more than a few on here would benefit by practicing.


Dawg2, I suppose asking them to read Canon XLVIII would be futile?

 

[dawg2]

Verse 12 is the key in all of the scripture, NOT taking just that verse above all other scripture but that verse is key.

3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Says nothing of ONLY women

 

[dawg2]

I went to one of the Pastors for help and to talk. He took what I said to him in private and turned it around and spread it all over the church. ....

When I got to the meeting, it was not to talk about deacon things but to chastize me and my wife over what I had shared with that Pastor in private. .....

I was phoned the next day and asked to come back in for another meeting. I did and it was for them to tell me how bad my wife was...

Sounds to me like he was not a man of God. Things said in private are just that. If he can't keep his word on something as simple as that, then how can he be trusted for bringing people to Christ? Sounds like he's leading them away from God.

Nothing but a liar. I don't know what church that was but I would have dropped it like a red hot piece of coal and left.