Does Religion Poison Everything?

[ted_BSR]

Good read and Ravi makes some excellent points.

However, I have a question.

Why "Only Jesus Christ"? Why can a person not just make the transformation on his own? Why not through the teachings of some other figure? Why is this the "only" path?

John 14:6

 

[pnome]

John 14:6

That doesn't answer the question.. it begs it.

 

[ted_BSR]

That doesn't answer the question.. it begs it.

Depends on you point of view.

 

[ambush80]

Good read and Ravi makes some excellent points.

However, I have a question.

Why "Only Jesus Christ"? Why can a person not just make the transformation on his own? Why not through the teachings of some other figure? Why is this the "only" path?

Hey, Pnome,

Now that you're a deist, are you trying to figure out which deity it is?

 

[pnome]

Now that you're a deist, are you trying to figure out which deity it is?

That would take a GREAT deal of effort. No thanks, I don't pretend to know anything about that. But when someone says their god is the "only way" I'm interested in why, exactly, they think that's so.

Who knows? Maybe they'll convince me. I was convinced of something I never would have thought I would be convinced of before. It could happen.

I like to think I've got the bar raised high enough. But not too high.

 

[fish hawk]

Good read snooker!!!

 

[Four]

"I dont see it as a problem, people are not born evil, that's a terrible judao-christian dogma. People are essentially good. Is everyone? No."

Essentially good? What is your definition of evil? The first time you lied to your parents were you being good? Were you taught that or was it just something in you? Whats the difference between the people that are essentially good and the other that aren't?

I think it's rooted in empathy, the non aggression principle, etc.

I don't think lying is evil, nor good, but morally neutral. I think evil requires action, or the threat of action. I think the average person you can trust and they wont let you down.

 

[ted_BSR]

That would take a GREAT deal of effort. No thanks, I don't pretend to know anything about that. But when someone says their god is the "only way" I'm interested in why, exactly, they think that's so.

Who knows? Maybe they'll convince me. I was convinced of something I never would have thought I would be convinced of before. It could happen.

I like to think I've got the bar raised high enough. But not too high.

Just for the record PNOME, I am not trying to convince anybody to believe the things I do. I think that ultimately only God can show you the truth. He might use me, or Six Million Dollar Ham, but it isn't us who have the power to do the actual convincing.

 

[mtnwoman]

Ms. mtnwoman - I made no reference to anything remotely political. My post was just an observation on atheist obsession with debating Christians - trying to prove nothing. Probably off topic but

No, I'm sorry I know you didn't. I was actually covering several posts in that one post. I'm bad about doing that...I was basically agreeing with your post but adding my 2 cents to what somebody else said.

 

[mtnwoman]

I think it's rooted in empathy, the non aggression principle, etc.

I don't think lying is evil, nor good, but morally neutral. I think evil requires action, or the threat of action. I think the average person you can trust and they wont let you down.

Doesn't it at least depend on the lie?
If someone asks me if their hair looks good, and it really doesn't, I'd probably says yeah it looks good, come here and let me fix that part.

If my granddaughter tells me she's walking up here to the store (which I would never her do anyway, cause I ain't stupid).....but actually she's going to meet some idjit she doesn't know that she met on the internet.

If you ask a child did they break something and they lie about it, you think that's ok? Usually when there is a lie involved there either has been or will be an action.
I think giving(lying) someone the wrong information, absolutely can not be considered a good thing....????

When I was young and I'm 60 and anybody else here, lied when they were young, they got punished. And that's why I say morals are running down hill......lying is not bad????.....kinda proves my point. We're losing our morals.

 

[Four]

Doesn't it at least depend on the lie?
If someone asks me if their hair looks good, and it really doesn't, I'd probably says yeah it looks good, come here and let me fix that part.

If my granddaughter tells me she's walking up here to the store (which I would never her do anyway, cause I ain't stupid).....but actually she's going to meet some idjit she doesn't know that she met on the internet.

If you ask a child did they break something and they lie about it, you think that's ok? Usually when there is a lie involved there either has been or will be an action.
I think giving(lying) someone the wrong information, absolutely can not be considered a good thing....????

When I was young and I'm 60 and anybody else here, lied when they were young, they got punished. And that's why I say morals are running down hill......lying is not bad????.....kinda proves my point. We're losing our morals.

As long as the lie isn't coercive, i'ts not immoral. Its aesthetically negative at worst.

 

[ted_BSR]

As long as the lie isn't coercive, i'ts not immoral. Its aesthetically negative at worst.

That is very convienant. The truth is not.

 

[Four]

That is very convienant. The truth is not.

no you

 

[Madman]

Do they have libraries where you live?

Yeh but fuel is $4.20/gal, thank you Barak Hussien Obama, So I'll wait for the internet version.

 

[ted_BSR]

no you

Were you pointing at your monitor when you typed that?

 

[Six million dollar ham]

Yeh but fuel is $4.20/gal, thank you Barak Hussien Obama, So I'll wait for the internet version.

Wow. Not much point in arguing with someone who clings to flimsy excuses for remaining unenlightened.

 

[gemcgrew]

Do they have libraries where you live?

This book?

http://www.evolbiol.ru/large_files/hitchens.pdf

 

[Six million dollar ham]

This book?

http://www.evolbiol.ru/large_files/hitchens.pdf

Nice find. I don't recognize it to the letter but that looks like it an awful lot.

But hey, gas is $4.20 because of Obama.