"Knockdown Power"

Robust Redhorse

Senior Member
I was recently sent this article by Jim Carmichael on "Knockdown Power" of cartridges. It offers some new insight:


Knockdown Power
By Jim Carmichel
Some calibers always seem to flatten game. Here's why.
September 2007
No doubt about it, the odds-on favorite debate of big-game hunters (and certainly the longest lasting) is about the so-called “knockdown power” of various rifle calibers and shotgun slugs. For generations of gun writers, an occasional article on knockdown power has been money in the bank, as readers are ever-ready for yet another round, and then another, of this inexhaustible topic.
Personally, I’ve been content to leave the topic to others. Not because I have no opinion on the subject, but because I have dozens. However, most theories and explanations of what happens when a bullet hits an animal always strike me as having too many holes (no pun intended).
The reason I’m now willing to enter the fray is because at last there seems to be documented evidence, based on scientifically controlled research, as to why certain calibers demonstrate miraculous “knockdown power” while others don’t. The answer, I promise, isn’t what you’d expect, and you may not agree, but it’s worth hearing because it’s going to add lots of fuel to the debate. Even the way I came upon the information is a story worth telling, but first let’s make sure we have some understanding of what knockdown power is and how it is generally recognized.
To begin with, the term “knockdown power” is a misnomer, unless you’re referring to a giant cannonball, or perhaps a motor vehicle crashing into a deer on some midnight highway. Knockdown power, as it refers to sporting-rifle bullets, is an animal’s physical reaction to the bullet’s impact and entry. More specifically, if the animal falls immediately as if the earth has been jerked from under it, the bullet is said to have delivered knockdown power and the happy hunter congratulates himself for the wisdom of using a great caliber.
On the other hand, if the animal doesn’t fall immediately, wanders about or dashes off, even after being hit with a well-aimed shot, the caliber may be condemned as having poor or nonexistent knockdown power, its maker roasted in campfire effigies and lurid rumors spread.
The fact of the matter, however, is that no reasonably applied big-game caliber is either good or bad all the time—and there’s the rub.




The Lights-Out Method
Technically speaking, near-absolute knockdown effect can be achieved with about any caliber cartridge by what we can call the “lights-out” method, which is either a brain shot or a shot that shatters the neck vertebrae and spinal cord. The old-time deer hunters I grew up with were great believers in the neck shot because it minimized meat loss and, more important, usually dropped the animal in its tracks. Those were the days when calibers such as the .30/30 and .35 Remington ruled the woods, still-hunting was practiced by almost everyone, 50 yards was a long shot and open sights were the norm. Today, with much-changed hunting techniques and equipment, we don’t hear nearly as much about hunters favoring neck or brain shots. This is just as well, because aiming at the smaller parts of an animal’s anatomy is, literally, a hit-or-miss proposition.
Another approach to knockdown power is simply to overwhelm the animal with bullet size—the “bulldozer effect” I suppose it might be called.
Historically, there have been many proponents of big heavy bullets, and none more so than John Taylor, a gun and ballistic disciple of considerable African experience. Believing that the formula for calculating bullet energy is skewed too heavily in favor of velocity (I tend to agree with him on this, by the way), Taylor concocted a system for calculating what he called the Knock-Out Value of various calibers.
Taylor’s Theory
Since he was mainly interested in ivory hunting, Taylor was concerned about the concussion effect of various cartridges on head-shot elephants when the brain itself was missed. According to his tables, a pachyderm would be unconscious for about half an hour when knocked out by a 900-grain slug from a .600 Nitro Express, whereas the beast would remain unconscious only about 20 minutes when hit by the 720-grain bullet from a .577 Nitro—a difference that no doubt has altered the course of history.
While logic and observation make it clear that big calibers can have an overwhelming effect on game—e.g., whitetails shot with a .375 H&H—the strength of the evidence begins to wane when we factor in the unmentionable sin of declining marksmanship. Some (dare I say many?) hunters are not comfortable with hard-kicking rifles and are liable to flinch and jerk when they touch one off, which of course results in poor shot placement.

Weatherby’s Take
On the other side of the aisle are those who argue that game animals are more likely to be instantly poleaxed by high-velocity bullets that transmit a shockwave through the nervous system.
The leading apostle of this gospel was none other than Roy Weatherby, who preached long and hard on the velocity theme and won many converts. The term usually applied to the circuit-breaking effect of high-velocity impact is “hydrostatic shock,” but I think hydrodynamic shock is more apt.
Of course, we can rightly figure that by combining the opposing elements of the debate and firing big, heavy bullets at sizzling velocities we get a double dose of knockdown power. But anyone who fires, say, a .460 Weatherby Magnum (about 85 foot-pounds of recoil) instantly realizes that this sword cuts both ways.
Regardless of which side of the debate you cheer for, there remain many examples of game well hit with any caliber you wish to name that wasn’t knocked off its feet in an instant.
Firsthand Experience
Not to overburden you with hunting yarns, but I’ve spent a lot of time in the hunting fields and seen some strange examples of knockdown power and lack thereof. Moose, as you know, have a reputation for being tough critters, and it’s not uncommon for them to travel some distance after being hard hit. I planned to use this to my advantage one miserable day years ago when I came across a nice bull standing brisket-deep in the freezing cold water of a high valley bog. My gun was a .44 Magnum revolver and the way I had it planned was to shoot him where he stood, which I assumed would put him on the move. Then, when he came out of the water, I’d finish him off with another shot or two. Very clever, I thought.
Now, I’ve shot several moose with a variety of calibers, including heavy hitters like the .338 Win. Mag. and 8mm Rem. Mag., but I have never had one drop as fast as that big boy did. (Next time you’re feeling like a rugged sportsman, try gutting a moose while sloshing about waist-deep in freezing water during a snowstorm.) But that’s only half the story.
Later on in the hunt an elk I shot with the same revolver and ammo was only mildly impressed, causing me to track him down and finish the job with a rifle. The distance at which I shot the elk was about the same as the moose, and both were side-on chest shots. If either of these two instances had occurred without the other I would have arrived at two entirely different conclusions about the knockdown power of my .44 Mag. and handloads.
And then there was the time when late in the day my Blackfoot guide Leo and I were riding back to our elk camp in the high country south of Yellowstone Park. I was slumped in the saddle with my thoughts focused on the toddy awaiting me at camp when Leo wheeled his horse and came charging back down the trail, pointing back over his shoulder. The cause of Leo’s excitement was a truly grand mule deer taking his ease in a meadow that sloped up from the trail. The distance wasn’t all that great, and after I’d crawled behind a tree that provided cover and a solid rest for my rifle, I took my time and aimed carefully.
Judging by the way the big deer acted when I fired, I thought I’d missed. He tossed his head back, as if reacting only to the sound of my shot, jigged a bit like he was deciding which way to run, then settled down peacefully. He was turned to the opposite side when my second shot hit, and for another long, unbelieving moment I thought I’d missed again. Then he gently went down. Both bullets had hit dead on target, and when Leo and I opened him up the entire chest cavity was mush. Yet he hadn’t been “knocked down” the way we like to see.
It is often claimed that when an animal is spooked and running adrenalin, he’s harder to knock down. I’ve seen this happen enough to be convinced it’s true, but the mule deer in the episode just described didn’t seem to have a care in the world. My rifle, by the way, was a .338 Win. Mag. loaded with 250-grain Nosler Partition handloads. But in that instance it didn’t pass the “knockdown” test.

The Cape Buffalo Test
Several years later I was chasing giant eland in Africa and using the identical .338 Win. Mag. load I’d bagged the above deer with. We’d been hunting on foot all day, it was hot and desert-dry and my PH and I were hunkered down under some shade taking a rest before the long trek back to camp. As we sat there, gurgling water down our chins from a hemp water bag, what should appear but two big Cape buffalo bulls. And when I say big, I mean one was enormous, a once-in-a-lifetime record-book keeper.
Usually the preferred calibers for dangerous African game like Cape buffalo begin with at least a .375 H&H, or better yet, something on the order of the .458 Win. Mag. or its even huskier brethren. But the .338 was all I had, and I wasn’t about to let a trophy that good pass, even if I’d been armed with a peashooter. Normally, the plan of attack when hunting buffalo with a heavy-caliber rifle is to hit them forward in the shoulder so as to bust some bones and break the animal down so he can’t get at you. Even if it doesn’t prove to be a killing shot, it’s safer, since a wounded buffalo on the ground is rather more reasonable to deal with than one on his feet. But with my relatively puny .338 and expanding nose bullets, this didn’t seem like such a good idea. A shot in the forward superstructure might fail. Instead, I decided to go behind the shoulder and slip the expanding Nosler into the heart-lung area. This probably wouldn’t kill the bull instantly, so I resolved to pump in more bullets as fast as I could work the bolt.
As it turned out, the bull was dead and down before I could get the crosshairs back on target—one of the most astonishing demonstrations of knockdown effect I’ve ever seen.
A year or two later my longtime hunting pal, the legendary outfitter Jack Atcheson Sr., and I were messing around in northern Zimbabwe with another legendary professional hunter, Mike Rowbotham. We were hunting nothing in particular when we came across a herd of about 200 buffalo. Apparently they had had a lot of hunting pressure and were plenty wild. When they caught on to what we were up to they broke out in a bellowing stampede. Jack and I were both carrying .338s, mine loaded with my favorite .250-grain Nosler Partition handload. One pretty good bull got separated from the main body of the herd and came galloping by at a reasonable distance so I swung the crosshairs ahead of him, hit the trigger and followed through rather prettily. The bull went down on his nose and was dead before he stopped sliding.
After those two experiences I was fairly well convinced that the .338 was about the perfect medicine for Cape buffalo, but now I’ve changed my thinking. I believe that what happened on those two instances, and on the moose, was a physiological phenomenon often observed by other hunters but never—until now—understood.
New Evidence
This epiphany came about a couple of years back when I was passing a pleasant afternoon in a bird-watching blind in the wilds of Namibia. A previous guest had obligingly left a few copies of a South African outdoor magazine and as I idly leafed through the pages my attention was arrested by an article on knockdown effect. It was not the same tired old stuff about ballistics and penetration, but the result of a controlled study carried out by pro-fessional veterinarians engaged in a buffalo culling operation.
Whereas virtually all of our opinions about knockdown power are based on isolated examples, the data gathered during the culling operation was taken from a number of animals. Even more important, the animals were then examined and dissected in a scientific manner by professionals.
Predictably, some of the buffalo dropped where they were shot and some didn’t, even though all received near-identical hits in the vital heart-lung area. When the brains of all the buffalo were removed, the researchers discovered that those that had been knocked down instantly had suffered massive rupturing of blood vessels in the brain. The brains of animals that hadn’t fallen instantly showed no such damage. So what is the connection?
Their conclusion was that the bullets that killed instantly had struck just at the moment of the animal’s heartbeat! The arteries to the brain, already carrying a full surge of blood pressure, received a mega-dose of additional pressure from the bullet’s impact, thus creating a blood pressure overload and rupturing the vessels.
If this is the key to the “knockdown” mystery, it has answered a lot of previously unanswered questions. It’s certainly the best explanation of knockdown I’ve heard yet, but it also poses a new quandary. How do we time a shot to hit on the beat? Let the debate begin.
 

Handgunner

Senior Member
Good article.

Knockdown power, as it refers to sporting-rifle bullets, is an animal’s physical reaction to the bullet’s impact and entry.

A lot of people don't get or understand that part.

I've never seen a bullet of any caliber "make a deer do a back-flip" or watch their bullet "body slam" one.

It's the deer's reaction, not the bullet itself.

And I tend to agree with the heart beat theory of whether or not an animal will drop at the shot or run.

I read an article a few years back that stated if an animal has just inhaled and then shot, he has fresh oxygen in his blood and will run until it's depleted. Whereas an animal that's shot after just exhaling, will tend to drop immediately.

This would explain why some people have deer run with a perfectly placed heart/lung shot while others have had them "run for miles".

But like Carmichael said "how do we time a shot to hit on the beat" or the inhale or exhale? We can't.
 

RJY66

Senior Member
Good article.



A lot of people don't get or understand that part.

I've never seen a bullet of any caliber "make a deer do a back-flip" or watch their bullet "body slam" one.

It's the deer's reaction, not the bullet itself.

And you will never convince them. I guess it is just more fun to think your favorite shootin iron can "body slam" big game animals! :bounce:

Once when I was a new hunter, I made a not so great shot on a doe that I got away with. I hit the spine just foward of the guts from about 80 yards away. The deer jumped what looked to be four or five feet in the air and flipped over backwards dead as a wedge. It WAS fun thinking I posessed Thor's hammer for a little while! When I recounted the deer's reaction to my buddy's Dad with great enthusiasm, he replied that it was the deer's "nerves", not my thirtyoughtsix, and certainly not my shooting! :rofl:

Dang facts mess everything up sometimes!
 

contender*

Senior Member
A very interesting read! Never thought of those factors.
 

GT-40 GUY

Gone But Not Forgotten
Handgunner,

Only once did I see a deer get knocked off its feet. On a TV show a while back a guy shot a buck in the shoulder with a 12 guage slug. It was knocked right off its feet and down on its side. It was DEVESTATING. Oh I am a high velocity light bullet kind of guy myself.

"Aim small miss small",

gt40
 

Buzz

Senior Member
The entire concept of "knockdown" power is flawed. Shotguns, rifles, etc simply do not KNOCK game off their feet. They did a cool experiment on Mythbusters one time about this. They hooked a human dummy up where they could get his movement. Even when they fired a 50 BMG into the human dummy with a thick titanium plate to stop the bullet - the dummy moved a whopping 1/4" of an inch after impact.

Bullets don't knock game down, over, or throw game. As others have said it's simply a muscular reaction. My favorite are the cheesy Hollyweird flicks where someone gets shot and it literally picks them up off their feet and throws them through a window or door. Absolute crap! :rofl:
 

mikelogg

Senior Member
My opinion on knockdown power is this,the closer you are to a deer when you shoot it (with a good shot placement of course),the better the knockdown power.Example being,of all the deer that i have killed in the thirty or so years that i have been deer hunting,the majority of close shots(inside 100 yards,and espicially inside 50 yards)most deer have dropped in their tracks.The outside of 100 yards,espicially 150 and beyond,the deer seem to run a ways before falling(even with a 7 mag.)My conclusion being simple,close shots,faster bullet,better penetration and better bullet expantion,longer shots, slower bullet,less penetration,less expantion. I am no expert on bullets but this is my simple opinion.
 

WTM45

Senior Member
Just because an animal drops at the shot does not mean it was killed instantly. Death is a process.
Incapication comes from shock/injury to the CNS, or a sudden loss of BP due to blood loss. Sever the aorta, and within three heartbeats the BP can be so low as to make the animal unconcious.

Bleeding in the brain is caused by too many different factors so as to be able to pin it to only one cause, hitting a heart on the heartbeat.

Fact is, every animal is different. There is no way to make any judgement as to what will happen every time.
Make a good shot, enjoy venison.
 

AccUbonD

Senior Member
Never heard of this character, looks like he has money to hunt everywhere and on his down time he likes to write alot, there only a few questions I would ask him to end the debate 1. On a charging cape buffalo would he be worrying about when the bulls heart is beating? 2. On any of the big 5 hunts where knockdown and penetration is critical and any one of the five was charging would he be using a .223 or any of nitro express guns? 3. Does he sling 2 guns on big 5 hunts, one a smaller caliber and try to shoot the animal when its heart is beating at the right time and the second gun which would be used on charging dangerous animals? I dont see how he can write a article on knockdown power and include a mule deer hunt and big 5 animal hunts in the same article totally different class of animals.
 

AccUbonD

Senior Member
Nope prolly seen him on TV if he has been on hunting shows, just did a yahoo search on him couldnt even find a pic, wasnt that many search results either Update= found a pic of him never seen him before
 

TN deer hunter

Senior Member
If you really want to read a good book of his its called Jim Carmichel's Book of the Rifle its a great read and covers alot of this same stuff.
 

MCBUCK

Senior Member
Guy has been an outdoor writer for years. I believe he wrote for Field & Stream, and had a mothly column there on shooting. I used to read his stuff every month....it's just that stuff never took :bounce:
Here's a pic. He is the one with the bush on the lip
 

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seaweaver

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Heavy/Slow Velocity here.
Two deer, three hogs DRT. All others a margin of tracking including from well placed 400g 45/70 at 25y on a doe.
I like the heartbeat theory.
WTM45 i'll get to your link...after work!
cool post.
cw
 

TN deer hunter

Senior Member
Guy has been an outdoor writer for years. I believe he wrote for Field & Stream, and had a mothly column there on shooting. I used to read his stuff every month....it's just that stuff never took :bounce:
Here's a pic. He is the one with the bush on the lip

Jim is a writer for Outdoor Life. I have met him in Vegas at the Shot Show at the Hodgdon booth back in 2000. Great guy and plus he lives around Bristol, TN in that area. At one time he was one of the greatest but his eyesight is just about gone.
 
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