gemcgrew
Senior Member
So soldiers would be volunteering to place themselves outside gods grace?
I think he worded it in a way that makes it confusing. Any way I read it though, I find it wrong.
So soldiers would be volunteering to place themselves outside gods grace?
I think he worded it in a way that makes it confusing. Any way I read it though, I find it wrong.
I want AN answer. So far all I have gotten is deflection, and for me to go find my own answer. I want to hear other peoples thoughts. If its says "Thou Shall Not Kill" how we can justify war, especially the ones of late, and the taking of someones life?
I don't want to hear what Moses said, I want to hear what you THINK!
Can killing be justified or only rationalized?
this is interesting , but nobody wants to play....i think you have them on the ropes for a knock out punch
I want AN answer. So far all I have gotten is deflection, and for me to go find my own answer. I want to hear other peoples thoughts. If its says "Thou Shall Not Kill" how we can justify war, especially the ones of late, and the taking of someones life?
I don't want to hear what Moses said, I want to hear what you THINK!
I wouldn't kill anyone, or any animal....would you? And I want AN answer!!
this is interesting , but nobody wants to play....i think you have them on the ropes for a knock out punch
Much of the dialogue from the atheist side of the isle make me often wonder if Bill Maher has become a member.
That's why many of us won't get into a lengthy discussion any more than we do.
Your smug comments and caricatures that exaggerate your negative attitudes towards God make us not want to share internet space with you.
I know, I know, you got a comeback now, don't you. We're this, or that, and we're worse than you........
It's just not interesting.
saying national defense? I don't think its quite that easy.
Can killing be justified or only rationalized?
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If you truly knew God you would know that it cannot be justified or rationalized but it can by the grace of God be forgiven.
Thats all I got to say about that.
i think the more you dodge the atheist questions proves their points... Telling a deist this stuff about not wanting to share internet space ,well you want to rid me from this earth too...this is the basis of your religion
Wait a second –
Can we rewind?
In Post #4, TheBishop highlighted a previous response by centerpin in red. Are these centerpin’s words, in red type, or were they inserted into the post by TheBishop?
(I’m just asking, since it is very confusing and impossible to respond to – once again, this is why I agree that the ‘Quote’ function is not reliable and needs to be either tightened up or abandoned. Many others have made the same point – if the function allows the options of editing or inserting into the ‘quote,’ then it is not a quote at all, but merely a convenience for the lazy, and a distraction to the other posters, who cannot reliably know just who said what.)
So, that said:
“Focus on who the 10 C's were written to as well as focus on the remaining writings of Moses that expand on the 10 c's.”
“There's an answer in my op...you just don't want to have to search to find.”
So the insistence is that if only one searches hard enough to find something that doesn’t exist, they will then agree? Nice try, but if you want to assert that there was a person named Moses, and that such a person ever wrote anything at all, you’ll have to prove that by using at least one reliable source other than the OT itself, and that simply can’t be done. Further, you are deliberately and rather ham-handedly trying to deflect the point to only your own, ignoring it, essentially, instead of confronting it.
The point is simple – ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill.’ Period. There is no embroidery around the point, as written in the GOOD BOOK. Problem is, the same Book had already described the killing of quite a few folks, and most had been killed by the same fella who said not to do that. Then it goes on to give, in both the OT AND the NT, plenty more killing and plenty of reasons why one MUST. That too is Commanded.
So FOCUS, less on yourself than on the Book in question. Search, and YOU will find.
“The 10 Cs were written for the Jews....to keep them separate from those that lived around them...along with a few other reasons....but that is the basics. Christ told the Pharisees what the most important command was....He then followed it up with a close second. Do those 2 and you'll be fine.”
WOW! Anyone else want that one? If not, I’ll understand . . .
Then THIS!: “The 10 commandments were not intended for anyone living today. They were written and used in a different period of time for a particular people.”
Well then, THAT was easy! Presumably someone, in some Church someplace, has a NEW set of Commandments that ARE intended for those of us living TODAY. Wait – Don’t tell me! Do they start with something like – ‘Thou Shalt Give Thy Money To The Pretenders’?
Then more! “Justified in the case of . . . “
Really? Where the heck in the simple Command was wiggle room for ‘justifications’ left open? CONTEXT? Be serious. Are you actually putting forward the contention that one of the most central bits of ‘moral’ teaching in the Christian Holy Bible was only meant to apply to the ancient Jewish people?
Think harder. Read the stinking BOOK! Not long after that feel good part about how thou shalt not kill, Ecclesiastes proposed that there was a ‘time to kill.’ Who did that apply to?
C’mon.
Bishop...just wondering if you saw my reply in post #24.
Not trying to stump you or prove a point, just want to make sure you saw me answering your question.
Christians here have an easy way out of this (i would think)
Can't you just abandon the 10 commandments? It's old testament stuff, and most OT stuff Christians ignore / say isn't valid anymore.
I got it. Your willing to risk eternal -darn-ation, ignoring 3 "golden rules" to preserve your worldly life. Its ok I would do it too. But then again, I don't believe in sin.
Your answer covered the first part what about a case for war? War is not really self defense, nor are most of the conflicts in which we engage, national defense. Most of our fights have been about economics , or preserving our way of life. So how do we reconcile the taking of life in those circumstances?
Not true. The OT is still very valid today.
This is and could be a thread in and of itself...but I don't want to digress...nor do I have the time.