Not to confuse time periods with Native American Tribes?

Artfuldodger

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I've been reading about the mound builders not being Indians per say. All sorts of theories as we've touched on before. Some from Europe, etc.

Some say these theories came from when the first Europeans saw all those mounds. They didn't think Indians had that capability.
I would have to say they were capable based on all of the ancient civilizations of the Americas. The Mayans, Aztecs, and Incas come to mind.

I got interested more deeply in this reading about the history of Walker County, Ga. This report was written in 1932. The author says there were a lot of mounds in Walker County and the local Indians said they aren't a part of their history. So the author just called them the mound builders because no one was sure who built them. At least in 1932.
That's not to say the local Cherokee would know as they were built long before them.

It's an interesting read none the less. Maybe we know more about who built the mounds and maybe we know less.

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/county/fulton/walkerhistory/pg 001-100red.pdf
 

Artfuldodger

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Reading more I ran across other giant mummies and/or skeletons found all over the place. Some are probably fabricated and some are probably real.
One was found in a Lovelock, Nevada cave in 1924. In 1931, two giant skeletons were found near Lovelock, Nevada in the Humboldt dry lake bed. In 1939, another giant skeleton was discovered at Friedman Ranch, measuring 7 feet, 7 inches tall.
This is the mummy known as the Spirit Cave Mummy. Recent DNA testing revealed it was of the same DNA as the local Native Americans.

This was suppose to put an end to the theory of other people coming here or building those mounds. I don't think it did put a stop to it.

There are many stories handed down about tribe of red haired giant cannibals. Again some may be true and some may be fabricated or just legend and lore.

The myth was written down in 1883 by Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins, daughter of a Paiute Indian chief. She told of a strange, red-haired tribe of cannibals her ancestors drove into a cave and suffocated by lighting a fire at its entrance.

https://nevadagram.com/the-red-haired-giant-cannibals-of-the-lovelock-cave/
 

Artfuldodger

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This is an interesting comment from John Dague on that link in post #63;

Recent DNA testing of the remains of an individual from Lovelock Cave, given the name Lovelock4, found that the haplotype of the individual is L53(x54) Q-YP4004. This is a Eurasian haplotype originating in Bronze Age Central Asians, which has also been found in ancient fossils in Southeastern Europe, not a Native American. Lovelock4 was carbon dated to 200 AD. This individual, or his recent ancestors, likely travelled by boat from the Mediterranean to the Great Lakes, leaving a trail of ancient artifacts with the swastika (an ancient Eurasian symbol) between Michigan to Nevada. Also, in one of the very early archaeological investigations of Lovelock Cave, coprolites (fossilized feces) were gathered and inspected to determine what the inhabitants of the cave were eating. Hair from various animals was found in the coprolites. Some of the coprolites contained human hair, suggesting that the ancient Eurasians that lived in the cave were practicing cannibalism. All scientific evidence indicates that the oral history that the Native American people have about the inhabitants of Lovelock Cave are true.
 

Artfuldodger

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More from John Dague;
Lovelock4, an ancient individual found in Lovelock Cave, was recently DNA tested. The remains dated to 200 AD. The DNA haplotype of Lovelock4, L53 (x L54) Q-YP4004, clearly proves that this individual was Eurasian, not Native American. A trail of ancient artifacts bearing the swastika symbol (an ancient Eurasian symbol) found between Nevada and Michigan indicates the point of entry of the ancient Eurasian genetics in North America was likely the Great Lakes by way of the Mediterranean. The date of the remains of Lovelock4, 200 AD, may suggest that these Eurasian genetics could have arrived after the time that Romans invaded Jerusalem and evicted Christians and Jews from the city. If ancient Eurasian individuals arrived in Michigan, it would be evidence that ancient people had a knowledge of the route between the place where copper was being mined during antiquity (at Isle Royale in North America) and the place where copper was being used during antiquity (Anatolia, Egypt, and the Middle East). This would suggest that the ancient people known as Hebrews are the same people who are also known as Native American Ancestral B, or the Old Copper Complex, people who were carpenters, boat builders, fishers, ancient traders, and ancient oceanic navigators. Cultural evidence shows that these people were egalitarian, their clothing was utilitarian, they did not make or wear ornamentation to represent social status, they did not participate in conflict, they were technically advanced, and they used copper tools to build boats that were able to fish in deep seas. These people embodied the culture and beliefs of ancient Hebrews. The word Hebrew is derived from the word Eber, Iber, Aber, meaning “over”. These people may have been named for their place of origin, “over” the Atlantic Ocean.
 

Artfuldodger

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In the spring of 1912, the University of California sent “L. L. Loud” to conduct archaeological excavations at Lovelock Cave. Loud, who estimated that the earliest inhabitants visited the cave around 4000 B.C., obtained over 10,000 artifacts and specimens which included a donut shaped notched stone calendar, elaborate duck decoys, very large weapon shafts, a gigantic pestle and more.

Lovelock Cave overlooks Humboldt Sink, a remnant of Lake Lahontan. Lots of stories of these people living on that lake. Dietary staples include: Lahontan Chub, ducks, and mudhens. Plants such as bulrush, cattail, and other grasses were also significant food sources.

The Lovelock mummy was wrapped in a reed mat.
 

Sweetwater

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The cherokee were a member of the Iroquis federation and lived in Quebec Canada until the 1600's. There is no linguistic nor historical evidence of cherokee until the late 1600's. Unlike the creek confederation of tribes who have left linguistic and historic traces going back much farther.
The cherokee were moved down here to assist European banker interests ethnicallly clean out the native tribes from the gold belt.
Richard Thorton who is an architect has a tremendous archive of proof of the true history of the cherokee and has documented the vast cover up by the gov. and archaeologists trying to prevent the truth from seeing light of day.
Dont know if you remember when I posted about the sweetwater petroglyph here years ago. Since it was discovered back 100 years ago the origins of it's creator remained a mystery. Richard Thorton figured out that Arawak indians all the way from Puerto Rico were the ones that carved that petroglyph.
He has posted tons and tons of proof of the Myan mega cities that used to populate our state during the moundbuilder era. Also he has documented the relics and petroglyphs that mirror those found in Ireland...Sweden and FInland found in our state.
Here he is an amatuer who gains nothing from his efforts and he has brought to light the truth about our ancient history that those who are paid by our taxes to preserve have deceived us about.
https://apalacheresearch.com/ is his website. He has been stalked....messed with...bullied by the state and their goons. Its really sick and sad.
Here in Douglas county where the sweetwater petroglyph was found...there was a huge moundbuilder city from Buzzard roost near 6 flags all the way down to Dog river on the hooch. The city and county has bought up the last of the river bottom where sweetwater hits the hooch and the last obstacle in their way has now died....my buddy Jack Mckoy (Yes he is the nephew of THE Randall Mckoy of the Hatfield-Mckoy fued). So all that river bottom along riverside...the last of the moundbuilder mega city that wasnt plowed and paved is about to be a golf course /resort for Tyler Perry and his holllywood buddies. Tyler'a compound and airstrip overlooks this river bottom from a quarter mile away and before the lockdowns hollywood had just about taken over sweetwater state park just upstream filming almost every day.
It disgusts me to no end and the ancient ones arent happy either.
 
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