gordon 2
Senior Member
It seems there is in our tradition Jerusalem ( physical or of the land of Canaan) and then there is this other Jerusalem ( Spiritual or from heaven) which comes down from heaven (Rev.) This probably gives grist to the concept of two Israels and two very different kingdoms with the truth being that at some points in time (historically) they might merge into one just as we as individual at some points in time might merge one within the Glory or Light come down from heaven.Some people feel like all of those dispersed and mentioned about being gathered are not just the physical descendants of Abraham by birth but all of us that have been adopted and grafted in.
Romans 11 reads more like it's physical Israel with Christians being grafted into physical Israel.
It's a bit confusing how the two concepts intertwine and over lap. Sometimes salvation passages sound like physical Israel, past and present, and some read like a future spiritual salvation of all Christians with resurrected bodies thrown into the mix to make even that spiritual part physical.
"I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them."
The context for " Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them." Can be both fitted to Jerusalem and Christ Jesus especially that a Christian with a Christian heart wrote it.
"The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."
One Jerusalem has ever been haunted by the darkness the other ever overcomes. One has shadows cast from its walls and the other has no such thing.
"“Jerusalem (1), Jerusalem(2), you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing."
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