The Paleo diet

TurkeyManiac

Senior Member
I would think that we hunters and fishermen would be best at this.
The no processed meat is by far the best part.
The only downside for me bedsides convenience of what’s readily available is the fact that potatoes are not allowed or alcohol. Yea, that's an issue for me!
Anyways, give below a quick read and share some feedback.
If anything it would be pretty interesting to try....
I thing if I lived on the ocean or on a farm it would be much easier. City livin isnt set up for it.



Paleo is a simple dietary lifestyle that is based on foods being either in or out. In are the Paleolithic Era foods that we ate prior to agriculture and animal husbandry (meat, fish, shellfish, eggs, tree nuts, vegetables, roots, fruit, berries, mushrooms, etc.). Out are Neolithic Era foods that result from agriculture or animal husbandry (grains, dairy, beans/legumes, potatoes, sugar and fake foods).
Optimal Foraging Theory says our ancestors mostly ate foods that were easiest to hunt or gather at that specific locale. As nomads we would have adapted to various mixes of foods.
Under the paleo concept the quantities consumed of each “in” food is up to the individual. You can make it meat heavy if you want, or more fruit and veggies if you prefer, as long as the foods you eat are paleo. Fruits in the Paleolithic would have been tart and smaller, and you may want to limit modern fruit because of this.
Acceptable oils should be restricted to those from fruits (olive, oil palm, avocado) or tree nuts (coconut, walnut, almond, hazelnut, pecan, macadamia). No high-tech industrial seed oils could have existed back then. Wild game meat would be the ideal, but grass-fed meat is used as a practical substitute. The grass-fed is needed to get the proper balance of Omega 3 (from green plants) and Omega 6 (from seeds) fatty acids. Organ meats and bone marrow are very paleo. No processed meats. Consumption of fat from grass-fed animals need not be restricted. See Gary Taubes's Good Calories, Bad Calories. Fish should be wild-caught. For everything else organic is preferred, as this is the best we can do to get food free of modern pollutants and with the original micronutrients.
The effort to collect most seeds would not be as optimal as collecting other foods, unless collected as a condiment for the seed’s taste. Some meaty seeds, like sunflower, may have been a food. To protect their reproductive cycle, plants put anti-nutrients in seed coverings to discourage animal consumption (phytic acid, lectins, and enzyme inhibitors). Fruit seeds are not supposed to be digested, but to pass through and still be viable. They would never have been a food.
Eat the greatest variety of foods possible. Bush hunters kill whatever they find moving. Foragers note that there are more than 300 edible plants that our ancestors would have known about. Many are leafy greens. A wide range of herbs and spices is encouraged.
Salt should not be added to food. They did not have salt shakers. After removing added salt from your diet your taste buds will lose the tolerance they developed for salt. The same thing happens after sweetness is removed.
The only beverage that is truly paleo is water. You need to drink only when you are thirsty. The best is spring water that has been certified to be free of pharmaceuticals, with no chlorine or fluoride added. Buy in large PET bottles. See report on: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water. If you want caffeine, organic green tea is the most paleo. It is the least processed. Coffee is a seed inside a fruit and is not edible raw. Fruit juice is concentrated fructose that would not have existed and would not be paleo.
Agave “nectar” is just the euphemistic marketing name for High Fructose Agave Syrup. It is highly refined and it should be avoided. The only paleo sweetener is raw honey, and only in limited quantities. You could argue that very dilute maple syrup is paleo. If you must have sweetness, another possibility is coconut palm sugar. But best is to get all sweets out of your diet and get over it.
The inclusion of alcohol in the paleo diet is controversial. Our paleo ancestors would have come upon and eaten fermented fruit. Even spurned male butterflies get drunk on fermented fruit. Some have issues with the yeast. In Wild Fermentation (p. 127 in Amazon.com's Look Inside) there is a recipe for spontaneous hard cider that requires no added sugar or yeast. Now the resulting product (6% ABV) does not last long, but it would be paleo!
No published paleo diet includes alcohol. But if you are going to drink it, pick one from fermented fruit and water it down to 6%. Another paleo high would have been eating cannabis leaves.
Paleo foods are nutrient dense. Supplementation would not be needed, and would not be paleo. There is one exception: Vitamin D. At least it should be supplemented for those of us that don’t live outside year round, and don't eat liver regularly. See recommendations at the Vitamin D Council. If you don't eat fish often, fish oil is another way to get Omega 3 fatty acids, though some prefer krill oil.
Food should be eaten when hungry – not at set times of the day. They hunted and gathered foods in anticipation of, or in response to, hunger pangs.
This is also called the Caveman Diet, though there is little evidence that many of our ancestors actually lived in caves. Caves with paintings were only visited once a year. The name “Caveman Diet” implies a brutish character that thrived on meat. Stone Age Diet, besides sounding a bit old fashioned, is not correct. The Stone Age also covers part of the Neolithic. Hunter-Gatherer Diet is descriptive, but cumbersome.
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Sterlo58

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Yeah, I have read a bit about this. Makes you wonder why we live incredibly longer and healthier lives than the cave man. :bounce:

It does make sense though. If you could eat like that combined with our modern medicine and hygiene we could be much healthier.
 

TurkeyManiac

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TurkeyManiac

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Yeah, I have read a bit about this. Makes you wonder why we live incredibly longer and healthier lives than the cave man. :bounce:

It does make sense though. If you could eat like that combined with our modern medicine and hygiene we could be much healthier.

Yessir.
 

Sterlo58

Senior Member
I think when the family gets home tonight I am gunna tell them we are going browsing in the woods for supper. :hair:

Turkey Maniac...Is your couch available tonight. :rofl: :rofl:
 

Palmetto

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I have been doing a modified version of this for about 8 weeks. By modified I mean I omit the no booze rule!;) I have cut out most of the beer and just eithe have the hard stuff straight or with water.

I think you are the one that posted about this about that long ago which was why I started the diet, so thanks!

It is not really hard. I eat a banana or apple in the morning. A salad for lunch. I have found that no matter what type of restaurant you are in they will have a grilled chicken salad. I just ask for it with no cheese, no croutons and no dressing. I add a little olive oil to it but not much

For dinner we eat mainly fish with a little chicken or venison from time to time. We have a salad and at least one other vegetable each night.

I also fudge on the no cafffine rule and I will have a coke zero once or twice a day. But besides that it is just water a nd lots of it!

Overall I have lost 21 lbs and plan to keep it up till another 24 comes off.

It just makes sense. How can fruits, veggies and lean meat not be good for you?
 

TurkeyManiac

Senior Member
I have been doing a modified version of this for about 8 weeks. By modified I mean I omit the no booze rule!;) I have cut out most of the beer and just eithe have the hard stuff straight or with water.

I think you are the one that posted about this about that long ago which was why I started the diet, so thanks!

It is not really hard. I eat a banana or apple in the morning. A salad for lunch. I have found that no matter what type of restaurant you are in they will have a grilled chicken salad. I just ask for it with no cheese, no croutons and no dressing. I add a little olive oil to it but not much

For dinner we eat mainly fish with a little chicken or venison from time to time. We have a salad and at least one other vegetable each night.

I also fudge on the no cafffine rule and I will have a coke zero once or twice a day. But besides that it is just water a nd lots of it!

Overall I have lost 21 lbs and plan to keep it up till another 24 comes off.

It just makes sense. How can fruits, veggies and lean meat not be good for you?

Strong man! Good job! 21 lbs is alot of weight!
Yea, I have to drink a good bit of coffee. I would rather give up the alcohol than my coffee.
Once you see that kind of progress it does become a little easier to stick with it. I also have found that some of my cravings for the fast food and all that stuff king of diminish after the first couple weeks.
 

TurkeyManiac

Senior Member
I think when the family gets home tonight I am gunna tell them we are going browsing in the woods for supper. :hair:

Turkey Maniac...Is your couch available tonight. :rofl: :rofl:

Usually always available :)
 

Palmetto

Senior Member
Strong man! Good job! 21 lbs is alot of weight!
Yea, I have to drink a good bit of coffee. I would rather give up the alcohol than my coffee.
Once you see that kind of progress it does become a little easier to stick with it. I also have found that some of my cravings for the fast food and all that stuff king of diminish after the first couple weeks.

Yep, and when you have a "rich" meal it feels like a huge treat!

Last night my wife made venison burgers. She collected rosemary, thyme, mint, and other herbs from the garden and chopped them up very finely and mixed them in the meat. I grilled these along with some big portabala mushrooms. She made a fresh Arugula salad with pine nuts and cherry tomatos with a little olive oil. She also sauted some sweet Vidalia onions.

She served the burger on the grilled mushroom and topped it with the onions.

It was awesome and felt like I was getting a big rich meal!

All Paloe and all good for me!
 

TurkeyManiac

Senior Member
Yep, and when you have a "rich" meal it feels like a huge treat!

Last night my wife made venison burgers. She collected rosemary, thyme, mint, and other herbs from the garden and chopped them up very finely and mixed them in the meat. I grilled these along with some big portabala mushrooms. She made a fresh Arugula salad with pine nuts and cherry tomatos with a little olive oil. She also sauted some sweet Vidalia onions.

She served the burger on the grilled mushroom and topped it with the onions.

It was awesome and felt like I was getting a big rich meal!

All Paloe and all good for me!

Post a pic of that next time! I bet it was good :) Probably very filling also because your stomach has shrunk up a good bit by now
 

TurkeyManiac

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Bump for the after dinner crowd.
 

Palmetto

Senior Member
Last night- corn on the cob, grilled salmon, and sauteed fresh okra along with a spinach salad with almonds and suateed onions

Breakfast of boiled eggs and a banana!
 

Nicodemus

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The "hunter-gatherer" diet. :D
 

TurkeyManiac

Senior Member
Last night- corn on the cob, grilled salmon, and sauteed fresh okra along with a spinach salad with almonds and suateed onions

Breakfast of boiled eggs and a banana!


Keep it up man!
All that sounds pretty good to me right now.
Last night was 2 corn on cobs, chunk of ham and 3 beers.
I'm about to run a couple 1.5 mile trail loops at Murphy-Candler Park in the heat. Atleast I am earning the beer!
 

Sterlo58

Senior Member
I have read that the only strange side affect to this diet is the sudden urge to chase women around with a club and drag them back to your cave. :D
 

Palmetto

Senior Member
Tonight- Red curried scallops served over spaghetie squash served with sauteed bean sprouts!
 

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garnede

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I would think that we hunters and fishermen would be best at this.
The no processed meat is by far the best part.
The only downside for me bedsides convenience of what’s readily available is the fact that potatoes are not allowed or alcohol. Yea, that's an issue for me!
Anyways, give below a quick read and share some feedback.
If anything it would be pretty interesting to try....
I thing if I lived on the ocean or on a farm it would be much easier. City livin isnt set up for it.



Paleo is a simple dietary lifestyle that is based on foods being either in or out. In are the Paleolithic Era foods that we ate prior to agriculture and animal husbandry (meat, fish, shellfish, eggs, tree nuts, vegetables, roots, fruit, berries, mushrooms, etc.). Out are Neolithic Era foods that result from agriculture or animal husbandry (grains, dairy, beans/legumes, potatoes, sugar and fake foods).
Optimal Foraging Theory says our ancestors mostly ate foods that were easiest to hunt or gather at that specific locale. As nomads we would have adapted to various mixes of foods.
Under the paleo concept the quantities consumed of each “in” food is up to the individual. You can make it meat heavy if you want, or more fruit and veggies if you prefer, as long as the foods you eat are paleo. Fruits in the Paleolithic would have been tart and smaller, and you may want to limit modern fruit because of this.
Acceptable oils should be restricted to those from fruits (olive, oil palm, avocado) or tree nuts (coconut, walnut, almond, hazelnut, pecan, macadamia). No high-tech industrial seed oils could have existed back then. Wild game meat would be the ideal, but grass-fed meat is used as a practical substitute. The grass-fed is needed to get the proper balance of Omega 3 (from green plants) and Omega 6 (from seeds) fatty acids. Organ meats and bone marrow are very paleo. No processed meats. Consumption of fat from grass-fed animals need not be restricted. See Gary Taubes's Good Calories, Bad Calories. Fish should be wild-caught. For everything else organic is preferred, as this is the best we can do to get food free of modern pollutants and with the original micronutrients.
The effort to collect most seeds would not be as optimal as collecting other foods, unless collected as a condiment for the seed’s taste. Some meaty seeds, like sunflower, may have been a food. To protect their reproductive cycle, plants put anti-nutrients in seed coverings to discourage animal consumption (phytic acid, lectins, and enzyme inhibitors). Fruit seeds are not supposed to be digested, but to pass through and still be viable. They would never have been a food.
Eat the greatest variety of foods possible. Bush hunters kill whatever they find moving. Foragers note that there are more than 300 edible plants that our ancestors would have known about. Many are leafy greens. A wide range of herbs and spices is encouraged.
Salt should not be added to food. They did not have salt shakers. After removing added salt from your diet your taste buds will lose the tolerance they developed for salt. The same thing happens after sweetness is removed.
The only beverage that is truly paleo is water. You need to drink only when you are thirsty. The best is spring water that has been certified to be free of pharmaceuticals, with no chlorine or fluoride added. Buy in large PET bottles. See report on: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water. If you want caffeine, organic green tea is the most paleo. It is the least processed. Coffee is a seed inside a fruit and is not edible raw. Fruit juice is concentrated fructose that would not have existed and would not be paleo.
Agave “nectar” is just the euphemistic marketing name for High Fructose Agave Syrup. It is highly refined and it should be avoided. The only paleo sweetener is raw honey, and only in limited quantities. You could argue that very dilute maple syrup is paleo. If you must have sweetness, another possibility is coconut palm sugar. But best is to get all sweets out of your diet and get over it.
The inclusion of alcohol in the paleo diet is controversial. Our paleo ancestors would have come upon and eaten fermented fruit. Even spurned male butterflies get drunk on fermented fruit. Some have issues with the yeast. In Wild Fermentation (p. 127 in Amazon.com's Look Inside) there is a recipe for spontaneous hard cider that requires no added sugar or yeast. Now the resulting product (6% ABV) does not last long, but it would be paleo!
No published paleo diet includes alcohol. But if you are going to drink it, pick one from fermented fruit and water it down to 6%. Another paleo high would have been eating cannabis leaves.
Paleo foods are nutrient dense. Supplementation would not be needed, and would not be paleo. There is one exception: Vitamin D. At least it should be supplemented for those of us that don’t live outside year round, and don't eat liver regularly. See recommendations at the Vitamin D Council. If you don't eat fish often, fish oil is another way to get Omega 3 fatty acids, though some prefer krill oil.
Food should be eaten when hungry – not at set times of the day. They hunted and gathered foods in anticipation of, or in response to, hunger pangs.
This is also called the Caveman Diet, though there is little evidence that many of our ancestors actually lived in caves. Caves with paintings were only visited once a year. The name “Caveman Diet” implies a brutish character that thrived on meat. Stone Age Diet, besides sounding a bit old fashioned, is not correct. The Stone Age also covers part of the Neolithic. Hunter-Gatherer Diet is descriptive, but cumbersome.

There are a few problems with your basic assumption.

Acceptable fats, paleo man would have eaten animal fats and organ meats more than the meat, it is more nutrient and energy dense. So if you render lard or tallow then you have a cooking fat that is modern paleo.

Phytic acid can be reduced or eliminated in most seeds by soaking them over night in an acidic mixture. Place "seeds" like beans into a bowl cover with the normal amount of water and then add a tbsp of lemon juice or vinegar. In the morning or later in the day pour off the liquid and cook as normal.

While refined salt is not available in the paleo era, there are natural mineral licks. Animals still find them to this day. So would have paleo man. So instead of table salt, use sea salt or a natural rock salt, with minerals. These are usually sold in 5, 10, and 20 pound blocks.

As I said before paleo man would have eaten lots of organ meat especially liver, kidneys, and heart. But the lungs and intestines would have been eaten too. There are lots of natural vitamins in organ meat.

Vitamin D can be gotten from animals raised and finished on pasture or wild game. The fat from these animals store vitamin D and A.

Paleo man would occasionally have to fast when food and game was scarce. That should be part of the diet too.

I do not know about paleo life expectancy, but life expectancy 200 years ago was 5 years shorter than today if you survived to adulthood.
 
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