Where was God...

[livinoutdoors]

Thats true.
I wonder though if humans are even wired to go backwards. Seems pretty much everything we do is geared to what we perceive as "moving forward".
Better this, more of that, nicer this.....

But moving backwards can be a way foward, if we learn we are on the wrong path.

 

[Israel]

Do NOT post upstairs if you aren't a believer! I did that when I accidently commented on something that I thought was in AA&A and deeply offended folks. I saw something in the "similar threads" section & didn't realize that "similar threads" includes all forums. Lesson learned the hard way!

True though everyone is more than welcome in the AA&A forum. The more variety, the better. Nobody knows everything, but everyone knows something.

I was witness to that. Funny that what claims to "know grace" (to me) often shows less of it than what makes no claim of its "theological" foundations, but shows more. You (to me) acquitted yourself well (even with apology as I recall) in a situation that I saw as requiring neither, acquittal nor apology, (nor explanation)

Yes, "we" godly often much prefer to think it's a "your stubborness" or willfulness that is an issue, or even the issue that needs addressing. And man, thanks be to god we are sent to help open your eyes!

Was it Mark Twain? yes, I just checked, it was.

When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years.

seems some christians are quite a bit more devoted to the notion of "safe spaces" (hey! my thread, my ideas, my directorship) than they could bear having shown them.

If yer gonna claim to be letting the genii of light outta the bottle ya better be reconciled to the truth that that light's control is surrendered in the act. Or your just playin' at bein' one of the vessels.

Cause it ain't no fairy tale genii.

A Director is present, no need for help.

 

[oldfella1962]

Which culminates in politicians, taxes, wars, and regulation. I often think that the hunter-gatherer folks are the only ones left that have any sense.

YEP! Large scale agriculture begat "the cradle of civilization" and look at the mess the world is in now! If humanity has a tombstone when we are gone it should read TOO SMART FOR THEIR OWN GOOD.

 

[livinoutdoors]

I'll say this about the progress of men as well,
There was another thread here about transhumanists and these tech people trying to push us foward towards a machine existence, and creating new thinking beings. This is not the path of life and living things to me. This is the destruction of those things. All brought to us by men who most would deem hyper intelligent. Sometimes being too smart aint such a good thing.

 

[oldfella1962]

Those would actually be two examples of fairly low tech societies by our standards.

No doubt, but any successful pioneers into new areas "inventing the wheel from scratch" so to speak and not just building on existing technology get my absolute respect! What's cool is that there are always new frontiers for the curious. There is always something to be explored even further.

 

[WaltL1]

I'll say this about the progress of men as well,
There was another thread here about transhumanists and these tech people trying to push us foward towards a machine existence, and creating new thinking beings. This is not the path of life and living things to me. This is the destruction of those things. All brought to us by men who most would deem hyper intelligent. Sometimes being too smart aint such a good thing.

Exactly.
Thats why I question the whole "humans are superior" thing.
I guess it depends on what you consider superior.

 

[oldfella1962]

This would be a side note but i myself do believe we have gone too far and taken too much. Now we must seek to rebalance our place in nature before we cant.

Agree! We are "overdriving our headlights" on the commonsense highway.
Our judgement has taken a back seat to our adventurousness. But hey, this is our first time doing this "human" thing!

 

[Qazaq15]

I ate a 1/2 pound hamburger yesterday at a restaurant I believe I have been to only one other time. All that protein! It made me so so smart. Cause along with the fries, as I took that final lump of seared beef threatening to slide outta that last bit of bun, cheese, and bacon a new thought came to me. At least new in that day.

I shared it with my wife. I fairly belched out "I think I ate too much". (She was struggling with a Gyro that she had long before submitted to as not conquerable by hand, she had resorted to tool use almost from the get go) I was observing/participating in ideas in action, ideas expressed! "We" scientists gather what we may when we may.

Shakespeare may have said "all the world's a stage" but we know something well beyond his stilted and historically pubescent musings..."all the world's a lab". We ain't ole timey, we all grown up an thoroughly modern.

Suddenly new ideas came to the fore, even in rebuff of those previously held in planning and/or intents. Again, we scientists often discover in our experimentation that the "old ways" must make way for the new in freshly uncovered information.

"Forget about Walmart" showed up. "Let's just go home" followed shortly thereafter. (The protein was indeed having its way in this Vesuvian display of bold new thoughts, erupting as a new frontier discovered we could populate at will) Finally spewing to the grandest conclusion of all as a thing beheld in mind, but not yet actualized.

A glittering city beckoning from yet a distance. But nonetheless glowingly tempting and begging now to be named. And I did. (I'm bold like that) "Nap time" I called it, rising from my chair in a newly found (and additional) gravitas that threatened to plunk me back down to its tufted cushion. But, I (being bold) pressed on.

(Ha ha! you must also get those notifications "new messages have been posted since you loaded this page", right?) So I glance up and see obesity being discussed. Or it is OB City? Did we discover nap time? Invent it? Give birth to it? What are the very origins of "Nap Time"? Is it just a product of unbridled imagination? Is it even...real? And when I am in it, how could I even know? A lot of stuff seems real there.

At least till exit. Where I think. Things are real.

Is consciousness even "one" of them?

I'll have what you had...

 

[oldfella1962]

Exactly.
Thats why I question the whole "humans are superior" thing.
I guess it depends on what you consider superior.

Well it ain't "us" that's for sure! I'm partial to the cheetah myself.

 

[oldfella1962]

I'll have what you had...

I can't eat a whole gyro. The Turkish restaurant down the road has "award winning" gyros but they are HUGE.

 

[oldfella1962]

I agree.
But I think its already too late to do it voluntarily. Not enough people care. I just cant see enough folks willing to make the necessary sacrifices.

Nature is winding up to throw a haymaker at our temple and we dropped our hands.

 

[Israel]

I can't eat a whole gyro. The Turkish restaurant down the road has "award winning" gyros but they are HUGE.

But Imma guess, as man is always set for new vistas to conquer, the unthinkable to be done...you try, you really really try.

 

[oldfella1962]

But moving backwards can be a way foward, if we learn we are on the wrong path.

That sounds like one of those Native American or Buddhist monk sayings.

 

[livinoutdoors]

That sounds like one of those Native American or Buddhist monk sayings.

Just common sense is all.

 

[Israel]

I'll say this about the progress of men as well,
There was another thread here about transhumanists and these tech people trying to push us foward towards a machine existence, and creating new thinking beings. This is not the path of life and living things to me. This is the destruction of those things. All brought to us by men who most would deem hyper intelligent. Sometimes being too smart aint such a good thing.

But what do we do when we can no longer deny "but man, I sure loved it too, when I thought I was (smart)."

Look what I did!

Once in a Lifetime (David Byrne)

"My God, what have I done?!"

 

[livinoutdoors]

But what do we do when we can no longer deny "but man, I sure loved it too, when I thought I was (smart)."

Look what I did!

Dunno?

 

[Israel]

Dunno?

At the very least spreading around a love of being smart, that comes back round...but now without baby teeth, something other...

 

[bullethead]

Sorry about that. A simple yes or no is okay sometimes. But most of the time "yes" or "no" doesn't fully explain the question. The way my brain is wired I cannot stand to be misunderstood.
Thus nearly every question makes we want to say "well that depends" before I say yes or no, because what you consider "primitive skills and old ways" might be different than what I consider primitive skills and old ways.

9/10 times a simple Y/N is replied to asking to elaborate anyway.

 

[bullethead]

Almost 1000 posts in one week on a thread nobody cares about in a sub forum that is dead.
Somebody bring it home..

 

[Pig Predator]

This one has about ran its course.