Black Powder

Jeffriesw

Senior Member
I am interested in starting to shoot black powder for sport and to extend my hunting season a bit:bounce:.
But I know exactly nothing about it, 0, nada, zip.
Dont really have any friends or coworker who shoot blackpowder guns - I need some help.

Where do I start?

What caliber is best for hunting?

Make?

Model?

What else will I need?

Hard to use?

How often is cleaning needed?


Thanks in advance for your help!:)
 

Jim Thompson

Live From The Tree
swamp, a lot of questions and you will end up with way more answers than needed...or even able to digest:D

the site Dave linked is a GREAT dedicated smokepole site and if you really want to jump in with both feet then get in there.

to help with some of your questions start by reading this lil intro article http://www.huntingmag.com/guns_loads/PHunt_1107_11/

MLs are as easy or as intricate as you want it to be. you can spend $100 on a gun and $50 on accessories and kill deer out to 80 yards with iron sights all day long. or you can spend $1000 on a gun and $500 on accessories and $500 on a scope and kill deer out to 250-300 yards all day long. most end up somewhere in the middle:D

personally I would suggest a rifle in the TC or Knight lines. you cannot go wrong with either. since it is your first I would suggest a new (or unfired used) one until you get the hang of looking for neglect issues like barrel pitting or inside rust. you can find TC triumphs for as little as about $300. add a quality scope of your choice and price range and then add a handful of other items and you are off to the range. get a 50 caliber gun for your first, since the accessories and shooting/loading info is more available.

EVERY SINGLE GUN IS DIFFERENT, SO RANGE TIME WILL BE IMPERATIVE.

below is a cut/paste of a little ML info that I give to a lot of folks. some will apply and some wont, but if followed it will be real easy.

Most likely your gun will shoot fine with 250gr yellow tip TC shockwaves that wally sells for $11 a box and with 100 gr 777 (2 50 grain pellets) and any brand name primer although each ML is different and it may take some playing with. I have NEVER had luck with powerbelts and accuracy.

Things you need…

A lot of dry cleaning patches

Pre-saturated cleaning patches

Breech plug grease…make sure to put on breech before going to the range

A cleaning jag (will also be used to seat bullets at range)
Either a good range rod or at least a T handle that you can screw onto your rod

Couple of brushes that are good for cleaning the breech plug threads inside the gun and the plug itself.

Make sure the scope is mounted properly with good quality bases and rings and at the very least boresighted.

When you load for the first time make sure the range rod is marked at the level it sticks out when powder and bullet is seated. You never want to load twice and this will keep it from happening.

At the range…shoot a couple of primers into the gun to make sure it is “fouled” and dry. Then shoot at 25 yards to get close to the bulls before moving to 100 yards.
BETWEEN each shot take a saturated cleaning patch (or use a dry one with windex on it) and your range rod and cleaning jag and run it down the barrel paying close attention to the crud ring in front or the breech. Take out patch, flip over and do again. Then run a couple of dry patches down. Do not take the breech out for this. This needs to be done between every single shot at the range. This will make sure that you are getting as much consistency as you can get from your gun and your combination.

Shoot and repeat swabbing and move the scope as needed every 2-3 shots.

This should get you pretty accurate, which with this combination should be a normal deer sized group at 100 yards…pending your ability as a shooter this might be 5” groups or 2” groups or even less.
To clean, take out breech plug and put it in a cup of hot soapy water to soak. While soaking it use the little brush to clean the threads inside the barrel. Run a patch or two down the barrel to get it clean enough to put the breech back in. Put grease on plug threads and put back in. Then clean the barrel with the saturate patches or a bore brush as needed just like you would a regular rifle, making sure to use dry patches until COMPLETELY dry. Clean the rest of the gun the same as normal.

BlackHorn 209 powder is a little more expensive and a tad bit more work because you have to measure loads, but will increase accuracy and will increase velocity and does away with all the swabbing between shots and makes cleaning even easier.

Let me know how it all works or any more questions you have
 

Doyle

Senior Member
If you go to Thompson Center's website they have some good videos on muzzleloading tips. Some of the stuff they show is geared towards their particular syle of gun but most of it is good information. The only complaint I have with their advise is that they really preach swabbing between shots but they don't remove the breech plug when doing so. That is just asking for a crud ring buildup - especially with 777.
 

Nicodemus

The Recluse
Staff member
Traditional, or that modern stuff?
 

fishtail

Senior Member
Uh Oh, here we go!!
How about traditional-modern??
You know, musket caps, RS and cast your own bullets??
Well easy at first, using Maxi Balls!
 

Jim Thompson

Live From The Tree
If you go to Thompson Center's website they have some good videos on muzzleloading tips. Some of the stuff they show is geared towards their particular syle of gun but most of it is good information. The only complaint I have with their advise is that they really preach swabbing between shots but they don't remove the breech plug when doing so. That is just asking for a crud ring buildup - especially with 777.

Doyle, when still shooting at the range 777 I always swabbed between shots, leaving the plug in. if you do it with a wet swab first, paying attention to the crud ring area and then with a dry swab, you will be fine on the ring. course when you get home do a full break down.

OR you could just shoot BH209 and never worry with that again:clap:


Traditional, or that modern stuff?

that modern stuff of course:bounce:
 

Buano

Senior Member
I was going to add guidance on how to buy & shoot a muzzle-loader but these guys covered most everything.

All I would add is that there are a LOT of muzzle-loader users around, so if you ask around you will likely find someone who would be thrilled to show you how their gun works.

As internal rust is a major concern with muzzle-loaders, stainless steel is worth the extra money if you can afford it.

Have fun!
 
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