Miguel Cervantes
Jedi Master
Yeah considering a bulk of the theology came from a man who never knew Jesus I suspect it wouldn't go the way christians think it would.
Did you ever know Epicurus?
Yeah considering a bulk of the theology came from a man who never knew Jesus I suspect it wouldn't go the way christians think it would.
Did you ever know Epicurus?
What are you trying to say? I may have a few gray hairs but I'm not that old.
And now, the rest of the wiki paragraph.Didn't Epicurus have about 300 works, all written by himself?
Epicurus (/ˌɛpɪˈkjÊŠÉ™rÉ™s/ or /ˌɛpɪˈkjÉ”Ë�rÉ™s/;[2] Greek: ἘπίκουÏ�ος, Epíkouros, "ally, comrade"; 341–270 BC) was an ancient Greek philosopher who founded the school of philosophy called Epicureanism. Only a few fragments and letters of Epicurus's 300 written works remain. Much of what is known about Epicurean philosophy derives from later followers and commentators.
And yet you ascribe to assign credibility to hoards of books and documents drawn from his beliefs by people that never met him, but are only attracted to his philosophy.
This puts Christians and Atheist in the same boat, concerning their beliefs, and I don't see either one sinking anytime soon.
And now, the rest of the wiki paragraph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Google is a wonderful tool.
What matters is not the authenticity of the origin of the ideas but the ideas themselves. Not so with Christianity. If Epicurus could see the words attributed to him and said "this is bunk" it would do nothing to reduce the merit of the ideas. They stand on their own regardless of origin. On the other hand if Jesus could see the words attributed to him and said "this is bunk", then what?
You didn't think it would really be that easy did you?
Merely a perspective. From a believers standpoint, despite which side of the wall you are on, this works both ways.
Diogenes Laertius researched Epicurus and used writings personally made by Epicurus to write his own book called Life of Epicurus which gave accurate information directly from the source.
How so? The origin and authenticity of the claims made about Jesus is central to the theology is it not? If Jesus didn't do what he was claimed to have done and say what he was claimed to have said, if the christian religion was a later distortion of who he was then what are you left with? But with Epicurus or Socrates it doesn't matter if the attributions are accurate or if they even ever existed at all. The ideas would still remain.
Yeah considering a bulk of the theology came from a man who never knew Jesus I suspect it wouldn't go the way christians think it would.
Both were still basically a "philosophy" evidenced by nothing more than one man's opinion.
I could write volumes on the belief in purple flying elephants and back them up by my own personal accounts. The saddest part about that, in today's modern society and with the tools available to spread this word on the internet, I would immediately get a following of faithful believers.
If Jesus didn't do what he was claimed to have done and say what he was claimed to have said, if the christian religion was a later distortion of who he was then what are you left with?
Agreed, but the point is YOU would be writing it, the authors who wrote about Epicurus wrote it based off of his own personal writings. Jesus......he didn't write a thing. The authors, who tell of intricate details of conversations that took place between Jesus and one other person, were not there to hear these conversations.Both were still basically a "philosophy" evidenced by nothing more than one man's opinion.
I could write volumes on the belief in purple flying elephants and back them up by my own personal accounts. The saddest part about that, in today's modern society and with the tools available to spread this word on the internet, I would immediately get a following of faithful believers.
Agreed, but the point is YOU would be writing it, the authors who wrote about Epicurus wrote it based off of his own personal writings. Jesus......he didn't write a thing. The authors, who tell of intricate details of conversations that took place between Jesus and one other person, were not there to hear these conversations
Not according the red highlighted area of the link I provided.
Who is going to disprove it.
I know of very few belief systems based on "If's", even yours.
From a little reading I do not see where the bible condones slavery. Slavery I read about is not as it was where blacks were captured and forced into slavery. Slavery was a means of getting money by selling yourself to cover a debt or take care of family. The bible even states in the OT Exodus 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. Then move over into the NT 1 Timothy 1:8-10
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For *****mongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
I just do not see slavery in the bible as slavery that we know of and understand in 2017