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Well, in another thread, this got brought up. See quote below.

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Not sure about what you just posted. I study Scripture quite a bit and I cannot see where your statement holds water. There are numerous verses in the bible which support regenerative baptism. There are also verses in Scripture that support works, as well. I am not at home right now but I have notes and will post chapter and verse to support this.
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I do believe that baptism is a command from God. I believe that it is for people that have turned from Sin to God (ie true believers...not for babies or infants). However, there is no scripture that points to the fact that you must be baptized to be saved.

For those of you who believe this, I bring up the thief on the cross next to Christ. He didn't turn from his sin until moments before his death. He wasn't baptized, yet Christ says to him that they will see eachother in paradise (Heaven).
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I do believe that baptism is a command from God. However, there is no scripture that points to the fact that you must be baptized to be saved.

For those of you who believe this, I bring up the thief on the cross next to Christ. He didn't turn from his sin until moments before his death. He wasn't baptized, yet Christ says to him that they will see eachother in paradise (Heaven).
How can you believe its a command if you dont think you have to do it? Read Acts 2, matter of fact, read all of Acts.

You have to be baptized. Baptism alone does not save, but its a very important part of the plan of salvation.

And the thief on the cross, what about him? That happened before the new covenant
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Well, in another thread, this got brought up. See quote below.



I do believe that baptism is a command from God. I believe that it is for people that have turned from Sin to God (ie true believers...not for babies or infants). However, there is no scripture that points to the fact that you must be baptized to be saved.

For those of you who believe this, I bring up the thief on the cross next to Christ. He didn't turn from his sin until moments before his death. He wasn't baptized, yet Christ says to him that they will see eachother in paradise (Heaven).
Couldn't agree more, and a great example.

Another example from my daily reading is in Acts 10. When grace was extended to the gentiles first, at Cornelius's house. When they heard the message and recieved the Holy Spirit, then Peter said could anyone say that they should not be baptized, because they have recieved the Holy Spirit as they (the Jews) have.
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Couldn't agree more, and a great example.

Another example from my daily reading is in Acts 10. When grace was extended to the gentiles first, at Cornelius's house. When they heard the message and recieved the Holy Spirit, then Peter said could anyone say that they should not be baptized, because they have recieved the Holy Spirit as they (the Jews) have.
My thoughts also.
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How can you believe its a command if you dont think you have to do it? Read Acts 2, matter of fact, read all of Acts.

You have to be baptized. Baptism alone does not save, but its a very important part of the plan of salvation.

And the thief on the cross, what about him? That happened before the new covenant

Of course we should. We should also witness. That is a command, but if we do not we will still go to heaven. No works necessary for entrance.
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How can you believe its a command if you dont think you have to do it? Read Acts 2, matter of fact, read all of Acts.

You have to be baptized. Baptism alone does not save, but its a very important part of the plan of salvation.

And the thief on the cross, what about him? That happened before the new covenant
You contradict your self...baptism alone doesn't save, but you have to be baptized?

So, based on your first comment, and it being a command. If you are in sin when you die, in other words, you have un-repentent sin in your life when you die as a Christian, are you not going to heaven?

Which brings another thread in and of itself....do you believe you can lose your salvation?
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Couldn't agree more, and a great example.

Another example from my daily reading is in Acts 10. When grace was extended to the gentiles first, at Cornelius's house. When they heard the message and recieved the Holy Spirit, then Peter said could anyone say that they should not be baptized, because they have recieved the Holy Spirit as they (the Jews) have.

Hey Farmasis...we agree on something
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Hey Farmasis...we agree on something
See we got a lot for in common than not, as most Christians do, so i try to not get wrapped up in the things we do not.

Just FYI, yes, sadly some here believe you can walk away from your salvation.
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Just FYI, yes, sadly some here believe you can walk away from your salvation.
How depressing...not knowing if you are truly saved or that you might lose your salvation. There is such comfort in knowing that once Truly saved, you are always saved.
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Acts 2:38...when the gentiles heard Peter preach and asked what they had to do to be saved, he told them reprent AND be baptized..pretty plain...he didn't tell them to be baptized as a profession of faith to tell them world they had alreadty become christians (or joined the church), repent and be baptized was his answer to what they should do to be saved in the first place......

Yea, I'm a rare bird, a Methodist that not only believes in imersion but that you have to be baptized before your saved.....
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Who baptized the thief on the cross ?
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Thats the number one come back....Jesus was still alive on the cross; just my opinion, but he could tell the thief whatever he wanted, he is God...at least to me, that (while Jesus was on the cross and before he arose) was a time between the law (old Jewish law) and the New Testament.....But theres no doulbt that in the early church (at least according to the New Testament) baptism by water was part of becoming a christian, not a sign to the world that one had become a christian....
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Thats the number one come back....Jesus was still alive on the cross; just my opinion, but he could tell the thief whatever he wanted, he is God....

Wouldn't that make God a respecter of persons?
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What about John the Baptist, who told Christ that he should be the one getting baptized by Him, and then he was killed. We never read about John getting dunked. Did he go to Heaven?
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Acts 2:38...when the gentiles heard Peter preach and asked what they had to do to be saved, he told them reprent AND be baptized..pretty plain.....
So, you don't have to confess that Jesus is Lord? Just ask for forgiveness and get wet.

Here is a good explanation.

http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-2-38.html
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You have to be baptized. Baptism alone does not save, but its a very important part of the plan of salvation.
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You contradict your self...baptism alone doesn't save, but you have to be baptized?
I dont see how you can come to that conclusion.............

Very simple, baptism alone does not save, but its "part" of the plan of salvation.
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So, you don't have to confess that Jesus is Lord? Just ask for forgiveness and get wet.

Here is a good explanation.

http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-2-38.html
How you gonna ask for forgiveness in the first place without the knowledge that Jesus is Lord?
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Of course we should. We should also witness. That is a command, but if we do not we will still go to heaven. No works necessary for entrance.
I heard about 5 minutes of a sermon this morning on the radio before I changed the station, the ole boy said "everybody" is going to heaven. But anyways, baptism has nothing to do with works.
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How depressing...not knowing if you are truly saved or that you might lose your salvation. There is such comfort in knowing that once Truly saved, you are always saved.
Lose your salvation? I have never read anything about an erasor with the lambs book of life. I have how ever read that you will be held accountiable for your sins. And I for one dont really want to haft to explain to god why I was so stupid.
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How you gonna ask for forgiveness in the first place without the knowledge that Jesus is Lord?
It is not enough to know that Jesus is Lord, even the demons know that and they tremble. Salvation is asking for forgiveness and believing that Jesus died on a cross for our sins and was raised again in 3 days and that he now sits on the right of the father and reconciles us to God.
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Very simple, baptism alone does not save, but its "part" of the plan of salvation.
I see it more as part of the sanctification process, but a minor point to bicker about.

I would ask what you think would happen to someone who became born again, but died before he could be baptised?

Heaven or the other place?
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I dont see how you can come to that conclusion.............

Very simple, baptism alone does not save, but its "part" of the plan of salvation.

Exactly...its not the only thing but its one of the things we are commanded to do....in the early church christians didn't have any problems understanding this, but now 90%of denominations have forsaken christian baptism as it was actually taught in the New Testament.......Now folks will argue against it till their blue in the face playing "biblical simon says" picking and choosing their verses to support their beliefs...well you don't pick and choose, you accept it all or nothing....accept christ as your savoir, repent of your sins, and be baptized...not one, not two, all three...

But, I'm getting drawn into it myself now (biblical simon says), which is something I dispise when its christians argueing with other christians....so I will shut up now..
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It is not enough to know that Jesus is Lord, even the demons know that and they tremble. Salvation is asking for forgiveness and believing that Jesus died on a cross for our sins and was raised again in 3 days and that he now sits on the right of the father and reconciles us to God.
Exactly.

Salvation does not require one to be baptized. However, I believe those who accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior should be baptized, as it is a public profession of faith in Jesus.
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Exactly...its not the only thing but its one of the things we are commanded to do....in the early church christians didn't have any problems understanding this, but now 90%of denominations have forsaken christian baptism as it was actually taught in the New Testament.......Now folks will argue against it till their blue in the face playing "biblical simon says" picking and choosing their verses to support their beliefs...well you don't pick and choose, you accept it all or nothing....accept christ as your savoir, repent of your sins, and be baptized...not one, not two, all three...

But, I'm getting drawn into it myself now (biblical simon says), which is something I dispise when its christians argueing with other christians....so I will shut up now..

Let's just say, if you do all 3 you will be saved no doubt!

However, if you are up to a little game... let's pick and choose this verse.

Mark 16:16

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved..

(pretty straightforward right?)

ooops, let's finish.

...but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

So, what happens to those who believe only and are not baptised?
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