"A billion and a half years ago two black holes collided"

[Miguel Cervantes]

Anyone can google speculative theory. But by it's very name does not make it fact.

 

[ambush80]

Anyone can google speculative theory. But by it's very name does not make it fact.

Do you think the Doppler Effect or Red Shift are speculative theories? How about Gravity? If you disagree with her analysis, can you point to specific things she says and reply "I think she got this wrong because....."

https://saylordotorg.github.io/text...thods/s04-01-how-do-we-know-what-we-know.html

 

[Miguel Cervantes]

Nothing she has said interest me in the least. This is tantamount to cavemen discussing why water is wet. It is all speculative until science learns the facts.

Once upon a time the medical community deemed eggs extremely bad for us on speculative science. Now magically they are extremely good for us.

 

[ambush80]

Anyone can google speculative theory. But by it's very name does not make it fact.

Give me your best scientific theory as to why you think the Earth is 6,000 years old, or is not a scientific question?

 

[ambush80]

Nothing she has said interest me in the least. This is tantamount to cavemen discussing why water is wet. It is all speculative until science learns the facts.

Once upon a time the medical community deemed eggs extremely bad for us on speculative science. Now magically they are extremely good for us.

I understand. Science is not "your thing".

 

[Miguel Cervantes]

Give me your best scientific theory as to why you think the Earth is 6,000 yeasr old, or is not a scientific question?

The discussion of how old the earth is, is of little consequence to me, nor does it effect my future in any way. Why in the world would I want to discuss that?

 

[Miguel Cervantes]

I understand. Science is not "your thing".

I think science is great. Real Tangible Science that is. Not speculative theory.

 

[ambush80]

The discussion of how old the earth is, is of little consequence to me, nor does it effect my future in any way. Why in the world would I want to discuss that?

I understand your thinking quite clearly. There's no reason for you to discuss it.

 

[ambush80]

I think science is great. Real Tangible Science that is. Not speculative theory.

You mean speculative theory like quantum mechanics (which isn't understood) that powers your cell phone?

 

[Miguel Cervantes]

You mean speculative theory like quantum mechanics (which isn't understood) that powers your cell phone?

 

[ambush80]

Which part is funny? Quantum mechanics is "speculative theory"? Quantum mechanics isn't understood? Or quantum mechanics powers your cell phone?

 

[ambush80]

Do you think the Doppler Effect is speculative theory?

 

[ambush80]

C'mon, Man......You can google as well as I can. It's funny, I was out to dinner and someone asked a question about physics. We sat there trying to recall what we had been taught in high school and threw out related information that never answered the question. My 9 year old daughter borrowed my phone and simply looked it up. There's no excuse to live in ignorance anymore.

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If you're asking me what I consider good evidence for how scientists date cosmological events I would say I'm most compelled by the "Red Shift" caused by the Doppler Effect.

The reason to care about any of this comes at about 15 minutes in. If that reason doesn't resonate with you then it doesn't.

 

[SemperFiDawg]

It all comes down to personal revelation. Why is it that in all other aspects of life, people hold personal revelation as a low bar for determining truth, yet when it comes to the belief in God, it's regarded by believers as the most reliable metric (except when it's someone else's God)?

Because it's THAT real. If you have never experienced it, it's incomprehensible, if you have, it's undeniable. That's the best I got.

 

[SemperFiDawg]

I like this question and it's cousin involving a tree in the forest. It talks about consciousness and language and reality. We can imagine that even if there were no conscious creatures in the Universe that if "a tree fell in the woods" (or any physical object hit another one) that it would disrupt air, if it were present, and the collision would vibrate the material (or in the case of the black holes, the fabric of space time). It's assumed that that phenomena would produce an effect that conscious creatures might call "sound", but even if no one's around to hear it, the phenomena would occur. So, does it make a "sound"? Yes, and no, and yes. It depends on the context.

I always thought that this song was about phenomena.

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Have a "Like" for my most favorite (and catchiest) muppet tune ever.

 

[WaltL1]

Because it's THAT real. If you have never experienced it, it's incomprehensible, if you have, it's undeniable. That's the best I got.

I come soooo close to being able to accept this as a legitimate answer.
"If you haven't experienced it you cant know". Seems legitimate and reasonable to me.
But then Christianity had to throw a monkey wrench in.
Christianity had to claim theirs as true and everybody else's false.
That opens up a whole can of questions that Christians don't have legitimate answers for other than "you just gotta believe".

 

[ambush80]

Because it's THAT real. If you have never experienced it, it's incomprehensible, if you have, it's undeniable. That's the best I got.

Do you believe people when they say that they've been abducted by aliens? What about when they insist that it was THAT real? I tend to just agree with them with an "Mmmmmmmm-oh kaaaaaayy". I don't care if they think it was real but I don't really believe them and to the extent to which they let their "abduction" shape their lives I might not consider them for babysitting. Why do you think belief in God gets a pass from that kind of scrutiny?

 

[bullethead]

Because it's THAT real. If you have never experienced it, it's incomprehensible, if you have, it's undeniable. That's the best I got.

I agree that what people believe is an experience absolutely seems real to them. Often life changing.
Sfd, in all sincerity, what do you think is happening to people that have those same life changing experiences who are not Christians? Who or What is responsible for those? Are they AS undeniable?

 

[SemperFiDawg]

I come soooo close to being able to accept this as a legitimate answer.
"If you haven't experienced it you cant know". Seems legitimate and reasonable to me.
But then Christianity had to throw a monkey wrench in.
Christianity had to claim theirs as true and everybody else's false.
That opens up a whole can of questions that Christians don't have legitimate answers for other than "you just gotta believe".

Honestly, once Christ is revealed to you, having ALL the answers becomes irrelevant. We all have close family or friends that you know that they have your best interest at heart, would never lie to you, and you could count on to help out no matter what you asked.....one’s you can trust literally with your life. That’s what knowing Christ is like. IF you trust the persons character, you trust their words. No other belief offers that relationship.

 

[SemperFiDawg]

Do you believe people when they say that they've been abducted by aliens? What about when they insist that it was THAT real? I tend to just agree with them with an "Mmmmmmmm-oh kaaaaaayy". I don't care if they think it was real but I don't really believe them and to the extent to which they let their "abduction" shape their lives I might not consider them for babysitting. Why do you think belief in God gets a pass from that kind of scrutiny?

I would believe it if “I” had been abducted by aliens. See my point?