Now that we can agree with.
Belief in God is based on faith. No argument from me on that.
That’s all it has ever been.
There’s nothing else to support it.
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Now that we can agree with.
Belief in God is based on faith. No argument from me on that.
Absolutely!!!! All complex creations must have a creator . You men ask for some proof. Here's the awesome fact God he created each person beginning until the last and he knows every intricate detail . Only us as humans magnify and complicate the end result of his most wonderful creation . Genesis 1:26 .
Don't allow my argument to frustrated you ! Meditate on it ! God has given us all a free will !
The Bible teaches us that God calls us to Him .Even though many believe in predestination , that goes completely against what Christ taught . That would leave one to believe that God knows all . The Bible also teaches us that God is omnipresent and omnipotent . As difficult as it is to believe , I once too doubted God's existence , but through the miracles that I have witnessed and experienced , I know believe . I also owe you gentlemen an apology for not being able to answer all your questions with facts . I can only believe !!!!!!!
We've had some good discussions on predestination here. We have Christians here that are for and against.Even though many believe in predestination , that goes completely against what Christ taught .
We understand that you cant answer our questions with facts. There aren't any facts to give that would prove God exists. Like you said, its based on faith/belief.I also owe you gentlemen an apology for not being able to answer all your questions with facts . I can only believe !!!!!!!
The Bible teaches us that God calls us to Him .Even though many believe in predestination , that goes completely against what Christ taught . That would leave one to believe that God knows all . The Bible also teaches us that God is omnipresent and omnipotent . As difficult as it is to believe , I once too doubted God's existence , but through the miracles that I have witnessed and experienced , I know believe . I also owe you gentlemen an apology for not being able to answer all your questions with facts . I can only believe !!!!!!!
God is also omniscient which means He knows ALL. Doesn't all include who is saved and who isn't, and wouldn't he know this before they were born?
I suppose I'm trying to change your mind about predestination. You might wonder why an unbeliever like me would want you to do that. First, if you insist on believing in the veracity of the Bible, you should do it as logically consistently as you can. Wouldn't God prefer you do that to the best of your abilities? Secondly, you should reason properly in everything else you do. It will make you a better person and a better citizen. If you can't solve this one, I can only imagine what else you are misthinking about.
Its kind of interesting, in all those years as a believer I just don't remember this as being much of a topic. Maybe I wasn't paying attention that day but I always had the "God wants you, you just have to go to him" understanding. Anybody, everybody, no special guest list.I suppose I'm trying to change your mind about predestination
Its kind of interesting, in all those years as a believer I just don't remember this as being much of a topic. Maybe I wasn't paying attention that day but I always had the "God wants you, you just have to go to him" understanding. Anybody, everybody, no special guest list.
In practice, that's pretty much the opposite of "God chose you but not him" definition of predestination.
But there's no arguing that if God is omni-everything and you don't believe, its because he didn't intend you to believe.
Contradiction # 1830625348026..
If we are predestined to salvation , then where does Jesus fit in . For God so loved the world that he gave his only son for sacrifice so that those already guaranteed Heaven could __________ ? I not much into shoving Jesus on anyone , Jesus spoke the words if you love me ! I don't get into denominational arguments ! My life consist of loving the Lord thy God with all my heart, soul and mind and my neighbor as myself !
Where most get confused is not going back far enough .
Eve then Adam went against God in the Garden , so with this rebellion Sin was brought into an otherwise stable situation . When Lucifer , Satan , ( which ever name you choose ) brought forth the rebellion it brought forth separation ! All have sinned and come short of the glory of God , thus been separated . Adam and Eve are the only two humans born of God , the rest of us are born of Men . Since Sin is the separating factor , our God allowed man to exist with the Knowledge of both choices . If God hadn't allowed this after the fall of man , He would have to have destory all and begin anew .
Instead of starting over , Yaweh has offered his creation the Offering of atonement through the sheeding of the blood of an umblemished lamb. Whether we choose this atonement is entirely up to us ,No one goes to the father except through / by me .
Becoming born again isn't a metaphor Jesus used , it is a true surrender to God's authority .
God does know heart , our thoughts and actions , that why God sent His Son , that's why we have the Counselor (The Holy Spirit) , so that we could re-enter that pure love relationship .
Remember God's not the Author of Confusion . Sinned confused everything we are trying to get through life until we re-enter that unconfusing life with God !
God can stop Satan at anytime and one day he will . Remember Lucifer means , of light. God's bright creation who instead of following the heavenily father chose to rebel.
God's not in the destroying business!!!
God's in the rebuilding business!!!
One day God will RESTORE order !!!
Why rush , that's a human response !!!
Be patient , trust in the Lord and one day all will be revealed !!!
Just as Earthly parents do , God doesn't explain all decision . We must simply trust in him and remain faithful !
Why rush , slow down , Hunt , Fish enjoy the day which the Lord has made and one day all things we be revealed.
Evidence:God can stop Satan at anytime and one day he will .
According to the story told by an ancient culture.Remember Lucifer means , of light. God's bright creation who instead of following the heavenily father chose to rebel.
Except for all the people he purposely killed in the Bible, ESPECIALLY EVERYONE but 8. Lets call it 20 MILLION people destroyed.God's not in the destroying business!!!
Evidence:God's in the rebuilding business!!!
When? In Bible time it's at least 6000 years. If you can say what god will and won't do, tell us when it will be done.One day God will RESTORE order !!!
A human responce to human writings.Why rush , that's a human response !!!
Evidence:Be patient , trust in the Lord and one day all will be revealed !!!
How do you know how god operates?Just as Earthly parents do , God doesn't explain all decision . We must simply trust in him and remain faithful !
How has the Lord made this day? When will all things be revealed?Why rush , slow down , Hunt , Fish enjoy the day which the Lord has made and one day all things we be revealed.
Please do not be insulted in any way. I ask you these things in the hopes that you were the man (possibly sent by the very god you worship) that could be the guy to answer what no one else so far can answer. I respect the time that you have taken to talk with us in here. I hope that you stick around. Possibly you have some answers we are seeking.Men , I must bow out your way smarter than I . I don't know all the answers of life , apparently many do . I have already apologized to my Lord for my shortcomings , now I ask you to forgive me for not being able to provide you with the answers you seek . Maybe one day .
Men , I must bow out your way smarter than I . I don't know all the answers of life , apparently many do . I have already apologized to my Lord for my shortcomings , now I ask you to forgive me for not being able to provide you with the answers you seek . Maybe one day .
Men , I must bow out your way smarter than I . I don't know all the answers of life , apparently many do . I have already apologized to my Lord for my shortcomings , now I ask you to forgive me for not being able to provide you with the answers you seek . Maybe one day .