Armed teachers become a reality in Georgia

[pdsniper]

there is no branch of the Military or law Enforcement or any one else that carry's a gun for a job that does it with out required training, you don't go into combat with out training a lot of training and weather or not citizens in this country want to realize it or not we are at war with Terrorist, domestic and foreign and going into battle or a situation were they might be armed conflict with out any training is just a real bad idea and from what I have been told mandatory training is coming to have a concealed carry permit which I think is a real good idea, I have absolutely no problem with citizens carrying guns as a matter of fact I encourage it but just strapping a gun on and going out in the public with out any training or range time just because you can is a real bad idea and there are folks out there that do just that

 

[rosewood]

I think proper training is the way to go. The plan isn't to arm every teacher, it is to arm those that want to be armed and pass the training. The liberals will be scared and will not volunteer. The incompetent ones most likely will not pass the training.

I don't see the problem here.

 

[ryanh487]

Rights do not require training. Period. Teachers carrying to school are no longer having a right infringed. It's not their job to carry a firearm, it's their right. Is it common sense to train with a firearm you intend to carry? Absolutely. Should it be a legal requirement? Absolutely not -- that's called an infringement.

 

[Miguel Cervantes]

Rights do not require training. Period. Teachers carrying to school are no longer having a right infringed. It's not their job to carry a firearm, it's their right. Is it common sense to train with a firearm you intend to carry? Absolutely. Should it be a legal requirement? Absolutely not -- that's called an infringement.

Funny how most Americans don't get this simple concept.

What is worse, many so called hunters and outdoorsmen don't understand their very basic 2nd Amendment rights and offer infringement suggestions all on their own. If you're one of those just go ahead and turn all of your guns in. You are facilitating the problem.

 

[transfixer]

Funny how most Americans don't get this simple concept.

What is worse, many so called hunters and outdoorsmen don't understand their very basic 2nd Amendment rights and offer infringement suggestions all on their own. If you're one of those just go ahead and turn all of your guns in. You are facilitating the problem.

I understand what you're saying, yes, requiring training is technically an infringement on someones right to bear arms, I just cringe when I see some of the people that choose to carry, I guess its their right to compete for the " Darwinism" award. Want proof ? spend 15mins watching the tube channel at some of the idiots and the way they handle guns.

I just wouldn't want those type people around my kids, but then again if I had school age kids in this day and time I wouldn't send them to public school anyway.

 

[rosewood]

I guess you guys should look at it from this angle. By allowing the teachers to be armed with training, they are closer to being able to exercise their right to bear arms than they currently are. Baby steps guys.

Rosewood

 

[Miguel Cervantes]

I guess you guys should look at it from this angle. By allowing the teachers to be armed with training, they are closer to being able to exercise their right to bear arms than they currently are. Baby steps guys.

Rosewood

Why is "Shall not be infringed" so difficult to understand?

 

[transfixer]

Why is "Shall not be infringed" so difficult to understand?

I understand its their right ,, but do you really want every person that you see in day to day life to be armed ? There are a lot of people out there that I wonder who ties their shoes for them ?

 

[pdsniper]

I'm glad most of you are getting the point I'm trying to make its not about control or infringing rights it's about common sense and safety and big time liability thanks for chiming in, transfixer I think you really said it well

 

[Miguel Cervantes]

I understand its their right ,, but do you really want every person that you see in day to day life to be armed ? There are a lot of people out there that I wonder who ties their shoes for them ?

I'm glad most of you are getting the point I'm trying to make its not about control or infringing rights it's about common sense and safety and big time liability thanks for chiming in, transfixer I think you really said it well

How many criminals are going to go out of their way to get all of the training they need prior to walking into a school to shoot up the place.

Restricting law abiding citizens to requirements that criminals will not and cannot be expected to follow is the most heinous of infringements. I get what you boys are thinking, but it is backwards logic to a problem with no boundaries. Also once you concede to giving in to every law abiding citizen must be a sharp shooter, then the Socialist have all of the ammo they need to start encroaching on your rights even further.

Give an inch, they'll take a mile.

Nope, "Shall Not be Infringed" means just that.

 

[Jester896]

It seems like some want to overlook the "A Well Regulated Militia" portion of the "shall not be infringed" sentence.

Training teachers that want to carry would make them a well regulated militia.

 

[transfixer]

How many criminals are going to go out of their way to get all of the training they need prior to walking into a school to shoot up the place.

Those criminals would be much less of a problem to deal with for a person who is " trained" in the use of their chosen firearm, and is proficient with it ! Billy Joe Bob down the street with no training , and likely doesn't have the same aggressive mindset that the predator criminal does, will probably not be much trouble for the criminal to deal with!

I don't know the statistics, pdsniper probably does, but I would venture to say 95% of the people out there will hesitate to pull the trigger when confronted by someone armed in a life and death situation, it probably is higher than that . the aggressor criminal likely won't hesitate, he is already psyched up for the situation , in a situation like that , when someone hesitates, bad things usually are the result.

Part of firearms training is knowing when to shoot, and when not to, without training, most people really don't know.

 

[pdsniper]

I can tell you with out a shadow of a doubt they will never let any one in or around a school to protect children with a gun with out training the Government, public and the big mouthed media will never allow it on the street your on your own, you shoot any one other than the intended threat there the liability is totally on you,
in any kind of job that I can think of it comes with some kind of instruction and training, In the wild west day's Wyatt Eurpp was not not a legend and successful because he was fast and just strapped a gun on, it was because he did not hesitate and he was accurate and that came with a lot of practice and training

 

[transfixer]

It seems like some want to overlook the "A Well Regulated Militia" portion of the "shall not be infringed" sentence.

Training teachers that want to carry would make them a well regulated militia.

Yes, I didn't even think about it that way, but "well regulated" would mean regulations, rules, and or training. So I guess even back then they weren't keen on idiots having guns ? lol

 

[Jester896]

So I guess even back then they weren't keen on idiots having guns ? lol

some things never change

 

[ryanh487]

I understand its their right ,, but do you really want every person that you see in day to day life to be armed ? There are a lot of people out there that I wonder who ties their shoes for them ?

Freedom > safety

part of freedom is dealing with the consequences of how others use their freedom. it's better than chains--no matter how padded they may be--any day. You should be able to pick up a gun at the grocery store with a gallon of milk. Shoot, you should be able to get a gun out of a vending machine with your snickers bar. Stupid people will get shot by less stupid people. Our society would be a better place if more stupid people died of lead poisoning on a regular basis.

 

[Jester896]

how does a vending machine do a proper background check? Some people don't have all of their rights intact, yet they seem to be GTG at your local vending machine or grocer

 

[ryanh487]

how does a vending machine do a proper background check? Some people don't have all of their rights intact, yet they seem to be GTG at your local vending machine or grocer

What part of freedom > safety did you not understand?

No background check. No prohibited persons.

Criminals get the guns the want no matter what we do. All background check and prohibited persons laws accomplish is giving the masses a false sense of security. If you want to be safe, get a gun, train with the gun (VOLUNTARILY) and carry the gun. Nobody is going to protect you from a bad guy with a gun but you. Laws are worthless paper and cops only show up after the fact.

If folks would spine up and take responsibililty for their own safety instead of expecting the talking heads to do it for them with magical pieces of paper, there would be no problem.

 

[Miguel Cervantes]

Those criminals would be much less of a problem to deal with for a person who is " trained" in the use of their chosen firearm.

Exactly right, as exhibited in LEO's winning every firefight with hardened criminals.

Oh wait..........

 

[Miguel Cervantes]

So I guess even back then they weren't keen on idiots having guns ? lol

Those that turned the tide in winning the Revolutionary war were not "well regulated". They were farmers, doctors, school teachers and other common everyday citizen that took up their arms to rebuke an invading force that wanted them to give up their right to bear said arms.

People always want to throw up the "well regulated militia" in the argument but rarely want to repeat "The RIGHT of the PEOPLE (as in We the People) to KEEP and BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED".

The framers and founders fully understood that it was possible for the government militia to become overwhelmed and at that point having a citizenry to step in with THEIR arms to pick up the slack in combating an enemy would be necessary. They had no intention of training every single citizen how to bark a squirrel off of a tree limb.

Give up your rights and restrict them all you want as you over hypothesize and pervert the intentions of a safe environment in today's Utopian dream of a sanitary world. But the bottom line is, it never has been and never will be and the level of crime we have in society today is a direct result of a general fear of firearms in society and criminals knowing full well that their life most likely won't be in jeopardy when they commit a crime because we have restricted our rights out of our insane fear of an inanimate object that would more than adequately level the playing field and also reduce a criminals desire to enter a scenario where he new that most likely he would die.

You fellas are front and center the #1 reason I started this thread; http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=917324&highlight=