Bartram's wolf

[Tugboat1]

On a trail cam thread there was mention of a Bartrams' wolf. I've read Bartrams' journals abridged and unabridged but have no recollection of a wolf. Internet search revealed nada.
Y'all educate me please.

 

[RamblinWreck88]

On a trail cam thread there was mention of a Bartrams' wolf. I've read Bartrams' journals abridged and unabridged but have no recollection of a wolf. Internet search revealed nada.
Y'all educate me please.

I don't know what page it would be in the book, but here's the a section that talks about what we now call "Bartam's Wolf":

William Bartram, Travels | Early Visions of Florida

Observing a company of wolves (lupus niger) under a few trees, about a quarter of a mile from shore, we rode up towards them, they observing our approach, sitting on their hinder parts until we came nearly within shot of them, when they trotted off towards the forests, but stopped again and looked at us, at about two hundred yards distance; we then whooped, and made a feint to pursue them, when they seperated from each other, some stretching off into the plains and others seeking covert in the groves on shore; when we got to the trees we observed they had been feeding on the carcase of a horse. The wolves of Florida are larger than a dog, and are perfectly black, except the females, which have a white spot on the breast, but they are not so large as the wolves of Canada and Pennsylvania, which are of a yellowish brown colour.

 

[Tugboat1]

I don't know what page it would be in the book, but here's the section that talks about what we now call "Bartam's Wolf":

William Bartram, Travels | Early Visions of Florida

Observing a company of wolves (lupus niger) under a few trees, about a quarter of a mile from shore, we rode up towards them, they observing our approach, sitting on their hinder parts until we came nearly within shot of them, when they trotted off towards the forests, but stopped again and looked at us, at about two hundred yards distance; we then whooped, and made a feint to pursue them, when they seperated from each other, some stretching off into the plains and others seeking covert in the groves on shore; when we got to the trees we observed they had been feeding on the carcase of a horse. The wolves of Florida are larger than a dog, and are perfectly black, except the females, which have a white spot on the breast, but they are not so large as the wolves of Canada and Pennsylvania, which are of a yellowish brown colour.

Thank you. I couldn't recall but will take another look.

 

[NCHillbilly]

Bartram mentioned wolves several times in Travels. Another description from the book:

"the wolves here are frequently seen pied, black and white, and of other mixed colors. They assemble in companies in the night time, howl and bark all together....which is terrifying to the wandering bewildered traveller...."

The species in question is the Florida black wolf, (Canis lupus floridanus,) which used to roam through much of the southeast. It supposedly went extinct in the early 1900s, except that it didn't.

 

[JDBrown]

Bartram mentioned wolves several times in Travels. Another description from the book:



The species in question is the Florida black wolf, (Canis lupus floridanus,) which used to roam through much of the southeast. It supposedly went extinct in the early 1900s, except that it didn't.

I had not heard of the black wolf, that might explain the large black yote that trailed me to stand one evening about 10 years ago, I was able to watch him coming in, thought at first he was a big black dog, I had left a cover scent drag ( fox pee) hanging on a limb about 30 yards in front of me, he came right to it, stopped for a minute, and picked me out up the tree, and was gone. It was a lot bigger than the other coyotes we have over here. Maybe a cross with a dog, or maybe, a black wolf.

 

[Timberman]

That description by Bartram was on Payne’s Prairie near Micanopy fl

 

[Nicodemus]

The Bartam`s wolf-red wolf is an interesting subject. A couple of us are of the mind that neither ever went extinct in the wild, but with the drop in deer populations in the South, their populations dropped withy them. This happens with all predator-prey relationships. As the deer population has increased so much, so has the Southern wolf populations. It`s just how Nature works. I feel that the Carolina dog is doing the same thing on a smaller scale.

 

[GeorgiaGlockMan]

I had not heard of the black wolf, that might explain the large black yote that trailed me to stand one evening about 10 years ago, I was able to watch him coming in, thought at first he was a big black dog, I had left a cover scent drag ( fox pee) hanging on a limb about 30 yards in front of me, he came right to it, stopped for a minute, and picked me out up the tree, and was gone. It was a lot bigger than the other coyotes we have over here. Maybe a cross with a dog, or maybe, a black wolf.

Did it look like this?

 

[Nicodemus]

Here`s one I got pictures of while I was deer hunting a couple of years ago.

Classic Bartram`s Wolf

From the stand this morning here in Lee County. I`d guess around 50 pounds. It was a pretty thing.

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[Al White]

I've shot a couple of black yotes here in Twiggs. Other than color - just another yote.

 

[Tugboat1]

Here`s one I got pictures of while I was deer hunting a couple of years ago.

Classic Bartram`s Wolf

From the stand this morning here in Lee County. I`d guess around 50 pounds. It was a pretty thing.

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That is an excellent photo of a magnificent creature.

 

[JDBrown]

Did it look like this?

Very much like that one

 

[buckpasser]

Here’s one I trapped. I believe he was the alpha of that pack. My favorite catch of all time.

 

[Worlldbeater]

The one in my avatar has the white spot on its chest. Neat pic Nic.

 

[Tugboat1]

The one in my avatar has the white spot on its chest. Neat pic Nic.

I pray they are still roaming about. An inspiration for me.

 

[Bkeepr]

I read somewhere that in gray wolves, the black color seems to confer resistance against canine distemper virus.

 

[trad bow]

Here’s one I trapped. I believe he was the alpha of that pack. My favorite catch of all time.

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That’s a juvenile. No more than two years old.

 

[Hillbilly stalker]

Check this one out my buddies mounting. Black coyote or Bartram's wolf ? Its at the 1 minute mark.

 

[buckpasser]

That’s a juvenile. No more than two years old.

Uh, no.

 

[trad bow]

Look at the head and then compare to the picture Nic posted. The body hasn’t matured to where he could overpower a five or six year old as well. Very fine animal you trapped but remember that’s just my opinion on his age and only that.