weagle
Senior Member
Amen.I propose Congress pass a dadgum budget then get back to us on meddling in college sports.
Amen.I propose Congress pass a dadgum budget then get back to us on meddling in college sports.
I don’t doubt you’re right. Thats when I quit spending bucks to watch it. I dont watch NFL regularly now.Free tuition, room and board can be estimated to be $40 K per year and that's giving the school full value for the overpriced tuition.
The athletic talent and money generated by the player is far in excess of $200 K per year / player. For about 1% of the players that go pro, their value will go up, but for that 1%, their value to the school is far more than $1 million / year.
Now that the NCAA has lost control of it's cash cow and are forced to admit that big time college football is not an amateur sport. They will probably also end their absurd rule that schools can only sign players from year to year.
Multi year contracts with non competes is how the real world runs.
However that won't stop what's coming. The organization behind "college" football is going to be completely transformed over the next 2-3 seasons. The teams will separate from the college proper and become a licensed pro team. The product on the field will look the same and the average fan won't notice a change other than the teams will be more stable and more players will stay in the "college" league rather than jumping to the NFL because of the $ and college lifestyle. (plus a multi-year contract could force the NFL to pay a buyout) I suspect you'll have some players that will stay in the "college" game as long as possible. For instance a Bo Nix type player would probably love to stay at Oregon for a couple more year.
Ask yourself, what have they got right.
What could possibly go wrong?
So a free education with all the perks of a D1 football player isn’t why the kids go there is what you’re admitting. The kids want to use the school for that 1% chance,….and now for the 3-4 years of money now rather than an education that could sustain them for life. Got it!. The NIL and the portal are going to severely hurt college football and drag down all college athletics with it. The real victims will be the 99% that needed access to the education. I won’t shed a tear if/when this blows up in their face and they want the good ol days back. The athletes of other non profitable sports should be realizing their future is in jeopardy.Free tuition, room and board can be estimated to be $40 K per year and that's giving the school full value for the overpriced tuition.
The athletic talent and money generated by the player is far in excess of $200 K per year / player. For about 1% of the players that go pro, their value will go up, but for that 1%, their value to the school is far more than $1 million / year.
Now that the NCAA has lost control of it's cash cow and are forced to admit that big time college football is not an amateur sport. They will probably also end their absurd rule that schools can only sign players from year to year.
Multi year contracts with non competes is how the real world runs.
However that won't stop what's coming. The organization behind "college" football is going to be completely transformed over the next 2-3 seasons. The teams will separate from the college proper and become a licensed pro team. The product on the field will look the same and the average fan won't notice a change other than the teams will be more stable and more players will stay in the "college" league rather than jumping to the NFL because of the $ and college lifestyle. (plus a multi-year contract could force the NFL to pay a buyout) I suspect you'll have some players that will stay in the "college" game as long as possible. For instance a Bo Nix type player would probably love to stay at Oregon for a couple more years.
Lord have mercy how your tune has changed since this started. The kids won't even be in college, or at least won't HAVE to be to be on the team.Free tuition, room and board can be estimated to be $40 K per year and that's giving the school full value for the overpriced tuition.
The athletic talent and money generated by the player is far in excess of $200 K per year / player. For about 1% of the players that go pro, their value will go up, but for that 1%, their value to the school is far more than $1 million / year.
Now that the NCAA has lost control of it's cash cow and are forced to admit that big time college football is not an amateur sport. They will probably also end their absurd rule that schools can only sign players from year to year.
Multi year contracts with non competes is how the real world runs.
However that won't stop what's coming. The organization behind "college" football is going to be completely transformed over the next 2-3 seasons. The teams will separate from the college proper and become a licensed pro team. The product on the field will look the same and the average fan won't notice a change other than the teams will be more stable and more players will stay in the "college" league rather than jumping to the NFL because of the $ and college lifestyle. (plus a multi-year contract could force the NFL to pay a buyout) I suspect you'll have some players that will stay in the "college" game as long as possible. For instance a Bo Nix type player would probably love to stay at Oregon for a couple more years.
I'd like to know how my tune has changed? I've predicted , and promoted this years ago when most everyone was saying it would never happen and the players were greedy for wanting compensation based on their talent and value to the school. I also said that the solution would be for the teams to separate from the university and NCAA as a licensed sports team. I also said that most fans wouldn't care. All of those things are true.So a free education with all the perks of a D1 football player isn’t why the kids go there is what you’re admitting. The kids want to use the school for that 1% chance,….and now for the 3-4 years of money now rather than an education that could sustain them for life. Got it!. The NIL and the portal are going to severely hurt college football and drag down all college athletics with it. The real victims will be the 99% that needed access to the education. I won’t shed a tear if/when this blows up in their face and they want the good ol days back. The athletes of other non profitable sports should be realizing their future is in jeopardy.
Lets look at what ELSE you said and is direct to my point hereLets take a look at what I said 3 years ago:
Transfer portal, NILs, Death of the NCAA etc
The farce that the NCAA has been getting away with for a very long time; that big time college football is an amateur sport, is over. As I have been saying for years, the only folks not able to negotiate the fair market value of their skills are the athletes. The NCAA had a monopoly on their...forum.gon.com
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Yes look at baseball and you will see what you are creating. And ALL that revenue will leave the school to go to THAT league to support it and it's owners. And if you THINK that should the schools try to "own" those teams, you'd better guess again. The rest of athletics will have it tied up for years in litigation over the implications of trying to circumvent Title IX.I agree, but the NFL, NCAA and state law does not allow it. And there's no way the colleges want to give up their monopoly on the best and most valuable talent. Do you think any college could compete for the best talent if there was a professional farm league? Hint, look at Baseball.
You quoted the wrong person.I'd like to know how my tune has changed? I've predicted , and promoted this years ago when most everyone was saying it would never happen and the players were greedy for wanting compensation based on their talent and value to the school. I also said that the solution would be for the teams to separate from the university and NCAA as a licensed sports team. I also said that most fans wouldn't care. All of those things are true.
That's pure nonsense about the fans supporting the school,not the team. 80+ percent of dawg fans never went to UGA and their one and only interest is the football team. Just like the majority of Braves fans don't give a rip about Atlanta other than they probably avoid it.
If for some reason it just tears you up that people with rare and valuable talent that is in high demand get compensated for said talent then so be it. That's the American dream and capitalism. Just like Baseball and Golf and Musical talent and driving a race car.
What’s a degree in “general studies” really worth ?You quoted the wrong person.
You’ve been pretty consistent about wanting this ‘inmates running the asylum‘ mess we’ve got now. I’m sorry players don’t think their college educations aren’t worth 3-4 football seasons.
If for some reason it just tears you up that people with rare and valuable talent that is in high demand get compensated for said talent then so be it. That's the American dream and capitalism. Just like Baseball and Golf and Musical talent and driving a race car.
More than what staying home in the mean streets is.What’s a degree in “general studies” really worth ?
I'm living proof of Point 2:Point 1: FWIW...I have been part of this conversation for awhile, and I don't think @weagle has changed or flip-flopped his position much at all. And I will agree with his scenario of the natural evolution will be a break away from the schools and being tied to them in name only.
Point 2: To answer weagle's question, I did a quick search and found that having a general college education is worth, depending on your source, $25k-$40k a year more in salary than just a high school diploma. In addition, the unemployment rate is about 1/2 (2.2% vs 4%) that for those who don't have a degree. There is also home ownership, health insurance quality, and general lifestyle advantages that come more easily with a college degree.
That's ROUGHLY $1.0 million to $1.5 million over a 30-40 year working career.
Of course, some non-degreed people do very, very well financially. And some degreed people are on the street living in cardboard boxes. A college degree is not a guarantee to have a better life, but it gives you a solid foundation.
As a general rule, I think the free degree that colleges are offering their student athletes IS worth a great deal of money, and provides an opportunity that a lot of kids just would not get otherwise.
Just my opinion and YMMV.
You were doing good right up to here. All those millions will no longer be going to the schools. They will now go to NFL/NBA Lite just as happens with MLB Lite. The only revenue the schools will see anymore will be the licensing fee paid to them for their name and rent for the stadiums. And they will only get that for as long as those leagues try to hold on to "It's still college ball".As long as you can get past the fact that your favorite player is actually getting paid well to generate millions in revenue for your favorite school "college" football has a future
You better hope that any attempt to “straighten this out” has the best interest of the fans first and foremost. It’s the fans that are the only money sources that really count………and college football fans are a different animal than pro fans.I have zero respect for the NCAA but for college football fans there are plans to straighten this out that are independent of NCAA control. As long as you can get past the fact that your favorite player is actually getting paid well to generate millions in revenue for your favorite school "college" football has a future,
No one wants to kill the golden goose. All parties involved understand that the Billions that flow into the sport are contingent on maintaining the fan base, and that's why the universities will continue to see the same or more money flowing in. The product on the field will be the Ga Bulldogs, Alabama Crimson Tide, Auburn Tigers etc. When the universities started spending hundreds of millions on Coaches, practice facilities etc, their revenues grew, they didn't shrink. The same will happen with players getting paid and I predict an even stronger fan loyalty because multi-year player contracts will lead to a more cohesive and recognizable team for multiple years. Not just one and done. 5 to 6 year eligibility seems to be the goal.You better hope that any attempt to “straighten this out” has the best interest of the fans first and foremost. It’s the fans that are the only money sources that really count………and college football fans are a different animal than pro fans.
There’s one great thing about the good old USA, we have plenty of ways and places to spend our disposable income and the freedom to choose where.
The players are not the management.Letting boys who can't legally drink and shouldn't be able to legally vote set the rules for NCAA athletics.... Nope.