Ok I will read it again tonight and in the morning to see if I can get some more info and then I'll post tomorrowI didn't see anything on it. I couldn't find Janzen discussing in anywhere either.
Ok I will read it again tonight and in the morning to see if I can get some more info and then I'll post tomorrowI didn't see anything on it. I couldn't find Janzen discussing in anywhere either.
I am white and Christian but I want to be Jewish.
Yeah that's alot to go over but we can do it, let me look through this because from your post it looks like you are asking some questions and also makes some statements , which is good for study .The discussion on Cornelius and the timeline of gentile salvation made me think of Paul's revelation to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles. Like how long did he preach to the Jews before getting his revelation to spread the gospel to the Gentiles?
Maybe this timeline might help me see why Paul kept torah, etc. before heading out to witness to the Gentile. It's an article from a long gone preacher. I thought it was interesting.
"During that period, up to Acts 28, Paul became a Jew to the Jews (under the Law), and God’s order was “to the Jew first”."
"Paul did not receive his “uncircumcision” gospel from Peter and the Eleven."
"Christ sent Paul, not to baptize."
In Acts 9:1 to 15, we have the record of Paul’s (Saul’s) conversion. Then what followed? He straightway preached Christ (Messiah) in the synagogue.
Now, note carefully what he called this: “preached the faith which he once destroyed.” Galatians 1:23. Remember, Saul never persecuted Gentile Christians. He was turned to Christ before the door of salvation was opened to the Gentiles.
Fourteen years after, by revelation, Paul went again to Jerusalem and told them of a revelation he had received from the risen Christ, “the gospel of the uncircumcision”. Note, the Twelve learned it from Paul and not from Christ.
https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/when-how-where-and-why-did-paul-receive-what/
No what is sad is that Grown ups that are claiming to be Christians can not engage in adult conversation about the holy scriptures without reverting to childish acts, 1st Corinthians 13:11 " when I was a child I spoke like a child,thought like a child and reason like a child, when I became a man I did away with childish things" .
I'm not trying to be mean I'm just being " Brutally honest "
You did get the ball rolling and that is a good thing1) I don’t joke about the scriptures.
2) If I hadn’t started the ball rolling, this thread would be as dead as the rest of this forum.
Sadly, “The Jerry Springer Show” is no longer in production.
That was actually funny maybe I took it a little to serious, my bad.1) I don’t joke about the scriptures.
2) If I hadn’t started the ball rolling, this thread would be as dead as the rest of this forum.
That was actually funny maybe I took it a little to serious, my bad.
It didn't, the purpose of the law of Moses was to point Jews to the finished work of Christ. And for the non Jews, the conscience was used by God to do the same. Rom 2:12-16OH and I do believe that grace replaced the law when Christ died on the Cross. Actually I don't think the Law ever saved anyone.
Gentile salvation was a discovery in the heart of God as revealed by the Spirit to Paul, discussed in Romans; that the gentiles were "also predestined" for salvation, not God pickin and choosing who gets burnt and who doesn't.As far as Paul teaching the brothers in Jerusalem that the gentiles could have salvation, I don't think this come from Paul. I believe this was established long before Paul came on the scene, we see this evident in Acts 10 with Cornelius's conversion.
Especially Acts 15:20 where he tells them 4 things they should do which is from the law of Moses probably because they were .struggling with these particular things. then in verse 21 they could learn the rest of the law by going to the synagogue. Then verses 28-29 the message was delivered also saying they didn't want to give them to much at one time to learn but they was to start with these 4 things and then learn the rest from the teaching of Moses in the synagogue.
Beautiful isn't it.