WaltL1
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I think that sounds great and in some cases may be 100% true.
But as far as "chances are" the statistics say the chances are no greater than if 2 Atheists got married.
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But as far as "chances are" the statistics say the chances are no greater than if 2 Atheists got married.
Artfuldodger
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I think what Walt is showing and I would agree is, why is divorce rate not lower among Christians?
Muslims have a lower divorce rate than Christians. Does one only have to believe in any God?
What is it about Christianity to include repentance that would make the divorce rate any different that the Hindu?
That being said, repentance is coming to the realization that one can't save themselves by stop sinning and thus need someone who has never sinned to take their place.
That is what repentance truly means that defines what Jesus did on the cross.
We as humans can never repent and stop sinning. True we may not divorce but we may still have lust in our heart.
NE GA Pappy
Mr. Pappy
Interesting topic. I guess that would have to fall into the intent column, since there was not time to walk it out in life. I know Christ told the thief ' This day you will be with me in Paradise', and he didn't have time to live it out either. For sure, the only one I am responsible for is me, and my response to pressures, temptations, and my response to them. I am willing to let God be the judge over those people. I don't want the job.
NE GA Pappy
Mr. Pappy
Yep, and statistics also say that less than 2% of Christians pay tithes too.... No doubt that the Bible teaches that. Old testament and New Testament teaching. Yet only 2% follow that teaching.
If a guy said he was a hunter, but never went in the woods, never loaded a gun, and never purchased a license, would you consider him a hunter? If you got a hundred people together and only 2 of them paid for their club membership, would you consider everyone members just because they said they were?
WaltL1
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Yes I guess that according to your/Christian beliefs God would have the ability to judge whether the dying persons "intent" was valid or if they were just saying "Oh crap Im about die I better repent".Interesting topic. I guess that would have to fall into the intent column, since there was not time to walk it out in life. I know Christ told the thief ' This day you will be with me in Paradise', and he didn't have time to live it out either. For sure, the only one I am responsible for is me, and my response to pressures, temptations, and my response to them. I am willing to let God be the judge over those people. I don't want the job.
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Its like tryin' to find the segue that got this here:
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But then we started talking about pocket knives.
Artfuldodger
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I was indoctrinated a Schrade carrier by my Dad. I was able to overcome and bought a Puma when I was 18.
SemperFiDawg
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No. It doesn't fit the situation.....at all. But the question still stands. Is this how you feel? If you say yes, then how did you come to that conclusion.
I don't want my daughter dating a meth head either. Am I a bigot, for that also. If not, what's the difference?
My comment was in reference to this statement:
That comment fits the definition of religious bigotry, in my opinion...
So we disagree.
And it’s just an opinion, not a conclusion.
I will readily admit I am not a religious bigot because I find them ALL to be worthless myths.
If someone tells me they are walking with a guy that’s been dead for 2000 years I’ll suspect they are delusional.
If they say they have a “solid” walk with the dead guy that’ll pretty much confirm they are indeed delusional, because it will let me know they believe they are getting feedback from somewhere.
Post 110 proves beyond doubt that bigotry is alive and well everywhere.
SemperFiDawg
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Well you're entitled to your opinion I guess. Not worth debating it with you. I get the feeling your disdain of the thought of God and all things religious runs too deep to be penetrated by reasonable conversation.
SemperFiDawg
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It is. It's used today as a catch-all phrase when reasonable thought fails to justify some illogical or false proposition. Just throw a derogatory label on it and walk away.
The great thing about the bigotry label is you can use it to justify any position.
People against pedophilia. Just bigots.
People against socialism. Bigots
People against legalized drugs. Bigots.
Christians against their daughters marrying non-Christians. Bigots
Atheist against religion. Bigots.
Mothers against drunk drivers. Bigots.
etc.
etc.
SemperFiDawg
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Like I said above. Too much disdain for reasonable conversation.
Well, you are wrong about that.
You can call it disdain, but I call it doubt.
I’m ready and willing to accept proof of any god, any time, that you or anybody can provide.
I don’t expect you to ever admit the possibility that gods don’t exist-especially yours-so I agree that it isn’t worth debating.
SemperFiDawg
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Another visual we could live without.
People would pay good money. I'm man-purty.
WaltL1
Senior Member
I can agree with you on this. I think a lot of people have stretched the meaning of bigot far beyond what the word was intended to mean.
In a lot of situations I think people have blurred the line between "preference" and "bigot".
I just don't see see the Irish Mom (for example) who wants her Irish daughter to marry a nice Irish boy as being a bigot. I see that as a preference.
Now if that same Irish Mom only wants her daughter to marry an Irish boy because all other nationalities are scumbags then we are entering the realm of bigotry.
SemperFiDawg
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Walt I will say this and not go any further as we are sure to disagree if I do. I will give you that much, if not most, of self-described Christians are no different than any secular person you could point out. Heck, I heard a poll result the other day to the effect that most Americans self-identify not only as Christians, but Evangelical Christians, yet only a scant few can name one Christian Doctrine, so it's a low bar to "get in", so to speak.
However, there are those in the Church and even outside of the Church who take their relationship and commitment to Christ very seriously. They stick out both in society and very often within the church just based on their actions, not so much their speech. I'm sure you've met a few.
I don't think the demo-graphical statistics would be the same it they were polled, but as the American Church, in fact, you could say the entire Western Church stands today the polls are simply comparing apples to apples. Viewed as a monolithic entity, I would say there is no difference between the Western Church and Secular society other than in name.
SemperFiDawg
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This isn't antithetical to Christian beliefs. In fact it's pretty much echoing some words written in red.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
So yeah, it obvious to us too.
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