Artfuldodger
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But is eternal death, burning forever? Maybe the fire is eternal, but just the way of causing the eternal death.
Otherwise, how could we obtain eternal life if eternal death didn't exist?
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Otherwise, how could we obtain eternal life if eternal death didn't exist?
BanjoPicker
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Fornication Gr. porneia, is used of illicit sexual intercourse in general (Acts 15:20, 29; 21:25; Rom. 1:29; 1 Cor. 5:1; 6:13, 18; 7:2). It is distinguished from "adultery" (Gr. moicheia, in Matt. 15:19; Mk. 7:21; Gal. 5:19). Jahn (Bibl. Arch., 158) thus distinguishes between adultery and fornication among nations where polygamy exists: "If a married man has criminal intercourse with a married woman or with one promised in marriage, or with a widow expecting to be married with a brother-in-law, it is accounted adultery. If he is guilty of such intercourse with a woman who is unmarried it is considered fornication." At the present time adultery is the term used of such an act when the person is married, fornication when unmarried; and fornication may be defined as lewdness of an unmarried person of either sex. Its prohibition rests on the ground that it discourages marriage, leaves the education and care of children insecure, depraves and defiles the mind more than any other vice, and thus unfits for the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9). Our Lord forbids the thoughts that lead to it (Matt. 5:28).
Figurative. The close relationship between Jehovah and Israel is spoken of under the figure of marriage, Israel being the unfaithful wife of the Lord, now rejected but yet to be restored.
The Church of the N. T. is a pure virgin espoused to Christ (2 Cor. 11:2), and thus differentiated from the Nation Israel (1 Cor. 10:32). The worship of idols is naturally mentioned as fornication (Rev. 14:8; 17:2, 4; 18:3; 19:2), as also the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols (Rev. 2:21).
Figurative. The close relationship between Jehovah and Israel is spoken of under the figure of marriage, Israel being the unfaithful wife of the Lord, now rejected but yet to be restored.
The Church of the N. T. is a pure virgin espoused to Christ (2 Cor. 11:2), and thus differentiated from the Nation Israel (1 Cor. 10:32). The worship of idols is naturally mentioned as fornication (Rev. 14:8; 17:2, 4; 18:3; 19:2), as also the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols (Rev. 2:21).
Spotlite
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I quoted this earlier but in an attempt to edit……I deleted by mistake.
“What are we gluttonous for?” - Anything we can over indulge in? Some are gluttonous for center of attention.
According to a book that was written by human beings a couple thousand years ago.
brutally honest
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Yes, the same book containing the examples you say we’re not following. Should we live by Jesus’ example or not?
formula1
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You are entitled to your opinion!
To believers it is not a book written by humans, but a record inspired by God with exactly the knowledge we needed, the purpose of which is to gain Christ and eternal life.
tell sackett
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Perhaps the eternal fire of burning regret. Perhaps the eternal fire of hopelessness. Perhaps literal flames. I can’t say, but I do believe it is literal and eternal. From the moment of conception we are eternal beings.
Yes, he11 is a reality, but it was not created for man, and God gave the greatest, purest sacrifice, the only sacrifice that could be given so that we may spend eternity with Him.
Behold, today is the day. Behold, now is the time.
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Jesus seemed to me to be the first to defend sinners and stop folks who were coming down too hard on them, and bow up on the hard-nosed status quo of the religious leaders of the time. He taught forgiveness and flexibility, not harsh judgementalism. And they crucified him for it. As many Christians probably would today if he returned. They would call him a liberal hippie and say that he wasn't judgemental and bound to send folks to He!! enough to suit them.
Yes, I understand that, and wholeheartedly respect it. I was raised by a Baptist preacher, after all. I also recognize human fallibility, and can see how much it has been edited, had stuff put in and taken out and re-imagined over the years. It also directly contradicts itself in some places. It is a good book, full of wisdom and guidance. But also, people wrote it. And people aren't always perfect. I think one book may be a good source of inspiration, but is not enough to base your whole life on.
tell sackett
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He also taught about sin and repentance and judgment. I’ll give you one guess who taught the most about he11 in the Bible.
formula1
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I have found it to be 100% infallible for finding Christ and His truth. But I agree in part in that it can be a stumbling block for some and a cornerstone for others! Hope you find what you are looking for!
I don't think Jesus was nearly as obsessed with toasting people in Hel! as most modern Christians are.
campboy
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Well said
tell sackett
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I'm truly concerned that brush you're using is gonna blow your shoulder out one day.
Most modern Christians I know are focused on serving God and sharing the gospel, thereby seeing more people brought into the kingdom. Do we all do it perfectly? No, for one simple reason- none of us are perfect. You seem to have a deep bitterness about some of your past experiences with those in the church and it grieves my spirit. I understand that because my Daddy was a hard shell independent Baptist and could be an extremely harsh person at times ( I will say I miss my Daddy badly and I look forward to the day I see him again) and that I believe played a large part in me running from the Lord for so long.
I will pray that one day your heart will be turned to the Savior and you will know the peace that comes from Him.
Most modern Christians I know are focused on serving God and sharing the gospel, thereby seeing more people brought into the kingdom. Do we all do it perfectly? No, for one simple reason- none of us are perfect. You seem to have a deep bitterness about some of your past experiences with those in the church and it grieves my spirit. I understand that because my Daddy was a hard shell independent Baptist and could be an extremely harsh person at times ( I will say I miss my Daddy badly and I look forward to the day I see him again) and that I believe played a large part in me running from the Lord for so long.I will pray that one day your heart will be turned to the Savior and you will know the peace that comes from Him.
brutally honest
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He was obsessed with saving people from that fate.
tell sackett
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And His Son who is one with Him.
He didn't jump down the harlot's throat and scream at her about how she was going to Hel!. He stopped the folks who were stoning her.
earlthegoat2
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According to many of the preachers here, if you are not constantly suffering in one way or another then you are very likely sinning.
Having a bit of fun once in a while (you know, like having a neat scotch) is a sin worthy of eternity down under.
I’ve basically determined that God’s true word has been so twisted and *******ized over the centuries that no one of us is any kind of position to do any preaching to anyone.
I guess having some structure is still good though.
Having a bit of fun once in a while (you know, like having a neat scotch) is a sin worthy of eternity down under.
I’ve basically determined that God’s true word has been so twisted and *******ized over the centuries that no one of us is any kind of position to do any preaching to anyone.
I guess having some structure is still good though.
Spotlite
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True. Notice what else happened; “She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more”
1. She didn’t cover up, justify, nor deny her sin
2. She had a revelation of Jesus - recognized Him as Lord
3. True, He did not condemn her
4. He did not condone her sin, either. He told her to go and sin no more.
5. Them other folks were going to kill her by throwing rocks at her.
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