Pope's Brother Ignored Physical Abuse....

Lowjack

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Pope's brother: I ignored physical abuse reports
By MELISSA EDDY and ALESSANDRA RIZZO, Associated Press Writers Melissa Eddy And Alessandra Rizzo, Associated Press Writers – 44 mins ago
BERLIN – The pope's brother said in a newspaper interview published Tuesday that he slapped pupils as punishment after he took over a renowned German boys' choir in the 1960s. He also said he was aware of allegations of physical abuse at an elementary school linked to the choir but did nothing about it.

The Rev. Georg Ratzinger, 86, said he was completely unaware of allegations of sexual abuse at the Regensburger Domspatzen boys choir, part of a string of charges of sex abuse by church employees across Europe in recent days.

Responding to accusations that its policies encouraged silence about the problem, the Vatican said that the sexual abuse scandals in Germany and other countries were cause for anguish but its response has been prompt and transparent

The scandal sweeping church institutions in many European countries kept widening Tuesday.

In Austria, the head of a Benedictine monastery in Salzburg admitted to sexually abusing a child decades ago and resigned. Dutch Catholic bishops announced an independent inquiry into more than 200 allegations of sexual abuse of children by priests at church schools and apologized to victims.

The German abuse allegations are particularly sensitive because Germany is the homeland of Pope Benedict XVI and because the scandals involve the prestigious choir that was led by Georg Ratzinger from 1964 till 1994.

Last week, the Regensburg Diocese said a former singer at the choir had come forward with allegations of sexual abuse in the early 1960s. And across Germany, more than 170 students have claimed they were sexually abused at several Catholic high schools.

Ratzinger has repeatedly said the sexual abuse allegations date from before his tenure as choir director. Asked in the interview Tuesday whether he knew of them, Ratzinger insisted he was not aware of the problem.

"These things were never discussed," Ratzinger told Tuesday's Passauer Neue Presse German daily. "The problem of sexual abuse that has now come to light was never spoken of."

Jakob Schoetz, a spokesman for the Regensburg diocese, told The Associated Press that Ratzinger would not comment further on the issue.

There have also been reports of severe beatings by administrators at two primary feeder schools for the choir, one in Etterzhausen and one in Peilenhofen. One director, identified as Johann M., who headed the Etterzhausen school from 1953-1992, has been cited in several allegations as being particularly abusive.

Ratzinger said boys would open up to him about being mistreated in Etterzhausen.

"But I did not have the feeling at the time that I should do something about it. Had I known with what exaggerated fierceness he was acting, I would have said something," he was quoted as saying by the German paper.

"Of course, today one condemns such actions," Ratzinger said. "I do as well. At the same time, I ask the victims for pardon."

He said he had administered corporal punishment himself.

"At the beginning I also repeatedly administered a slap in the face, but always had a bad conscience about it," Ratzinger said, adding that he was happy when corporal punishment was made illegal in 1980.

Ratzinger said a slap in the face was the easiest reaction to a failure to perform or a poor performance. How hard it was very greatly, depending on who administered it.

The 82-year-old pope and his older brother are close. Joseph Ratzinger had been planning to return to Germany and move his brother into a house with him upon retirement from the Vatican — a plan made moot by his election as pope. He refers to his brother as his trustworthy guide and companion and says his brother helps him to accept old age with courage.

The Vatican moved to defuse criticism after the German justice minister, Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, said Monday that a Vatican secrecy rule has played a role in a "wall of silence" surrounding sexual abuse of children. She cited a 2001 Vatican document — drawn up by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — requiring even the most serious abuse cases to be first investigated internally.

Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi defended the main ecclesiastical institutions involved, saying they have taken up the matters "promptly and decisively."

"They have shown a desire for transparency, in a way they have accelerated bringing the problem to light by inviting the victims to speak up even when the cases dated to a while back," Lombardi told Vatican Radio.

He said "mistakes" within the church were deplorable and said the cases are pushing it church toward dealing with the problem.

"While we can't deny the gravity of the anguish the church is going through, we cannot give up doing everything possible so that in the end positive results can also be achieved," Lombardi said, citing as goals better children protection and the church's own "purification."

Lombardi declined to comment on the statement attributed to the pope's brother that he slapped people.

He noted that in Canon Law sexual abuse of minors is among the most serious offenses, and said the Vatican's document in 2001 was "a fundamental signal in calling the bishops' attention to the gravity of the problem."

A statement by the U.S. group Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests called the Vatican's claim that Catholic institutions had been timely in their reaction "depressing and disingenuous."

"Sadly, the truth is just the reverse," Peter Isely, Midwest director of the group. "Regarding pedophile priests and corrupt bishops, the church hierarchy responds only when forced to do so by external pressures."

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Rizzo reported from Vatican City. Mike Corder in The Hague, Netherlands, and Juergen Baetz in Berlin contributed to this report.
 

centerpin fan

Senior Member
The Catholic Church is a big target, and they frequently get hammered by stories like this. They are not the only church where this has happened.
 

earl

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Wow . Now that we are squared away on the end of the world and false prophets ,let's attack the Catholics while we're on a roll.
Gooooooooo team !!!!!!!!
 

earl

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Only a small portion from 100777.com


Cases of Clergy Abuse

Case of Shlomo Aviner (Rosh Yeshiva, Ateret Cohanim Yeshiva, Rabbi of Beit El, Israel)

Case of Rabbi Lewis Brenner (Convicted of child molestation. The original charges included 14 counts of sodomy, sexual abuse and endangering the welfare of a child. He agreed to plead guilty to one count of sodomy in the third degree, a Class E felony, in exchange for a sentence of five years' probation.)

Case of Rabbi Ephraim Bryks (Accusations about sexual inappropriate behavior with children started surfacing in the 1980's. Rabbi Bryks is currently a member of the Vaad Harabonim of Queens. The Vaad is a Rabbinical committee that makes important decisions within an orthodox community.)

Case of Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach (Accused of several cases of child molestation, and sexual assault of young women)

Case Rabbi Perry Ian Cohen - Montreal and Toronto Canada (Accused of sexual abuse of a seventeen year old. Fired for sexual impropriety with congregants)

Case of Rabbi Yitzchak Cohen (Accused of sexually harassing students at Bar-Ilan University)

Case of Rabbi Ephraim Goldberg - Boca Raton, Flordia (Pled guilty to one misdemeanor count of exposure of sexual organs in a washroom at a Palm Beach Mall.)

Case of Rabbi/Cantor Sidney Goldenberg (Convicted of molesting children. The first complaints came in 1971. He was finally convicted in 1997.)

Case of Cantor Joel Gordon (Convicted of having keeping a house of prostitution and involvement in a prostitution ring.)

Case of Rabbi Israel Grunwald (Accused of molesting a 15 year old on a 1995 plane flight from Australia to LA. The charge against him were dropped after agreeing to perform 500 hours of community service and to seek counseling. Grunwald was the chief rabbi of an Hungarian Hasidic congregation in Brooklyn, known as the Pupas).

Case of The State of Israel Vs. Sex Offender (Convicted of repeated rape and forced molestation of his graddaughter.)

Case of Yehudah Friedlander - Rabbi 's Assistant (Accused of molesting a 15 year old on a 1995 plane flight from Australia to LA. Friedlander was the assistant to the chief rabbi of an Hungarian Hasidic congregation in Brooklyn, known as the Pupas)

Case of the Rabbi at Hillel Torah, Chicago, IL (A teacher at the Chicago school was accused of child molestation. His name was not released. The school did everything correctly in attempting to keep the children safe once accusations were made.)

Case of Rabbi Solomon Hafner (Accused of sexually abusing a developmentally disabled boy)

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earl

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The Talmud Yebamoth 60b

It was taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest,13 for it is said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves,14 and Phinehas15 surely was with them. And the Rabbis?16 — [These were kept alive] as bondmen and bondwomen.17 If so,18 a proselyte whose age is three years and one day19 should also be permitted! — [The prohibition is to be explained] in accordance with R. Huna. For R. Huna pointed out a contradiction: It is written, Kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him,20 but if she hath not known, save her alive; from this it may be inferred that children are to be kept alive whether they have known or have not known [a man]; and, on the other hand, it is also written, But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves,14 but do not spare them if they have known. Consequently21 it must be said that Scripture speaks of one who is fit22 for cohabitation.23
 

Lowjack

Senior Member
Evil is everywhere, Including in your closet.
Fact is this is a News that is all over the world.
 

BeenHuntn

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The Catholic Church is a big target, and they frequently get hammered by stories like this. They are not the only church where this has happened.

sin is sin, cf. you cant sweep it under the rug just because its committed by a man who wears a dress and Dorothy's red shoes... God does not sweep it under the rug because the sin is committed by a pope. he will answer to God just as any other sinner. if they sexually abuse little kids (or anyone) they deserve to get exposed, just as ted haggard did...
 

centerpin fan

Senior Member
sin is sin, cf. you cant sweep it under the rug just because its committed by a man who wears a dress and Dorothy's red shoes... God does not sweep it under the rug because the sin is committed by a pope. he will answer to God just as any other sinner. if they sexually abuse little kids (or anyone) they deserve to get exposed, just as ted haggard did...

I never said it should be swept under the rug. I said that it's not just the Catholic Church where this has occurred. Google "clergy sex offenders" and see what you find. Hint: you won't just be reading about the Catholic Church. There's an entire website devoted just to Baptist clergy.
 

BeenHuntn

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"bashing" is what the priest did to the little kids... its called child abuse... wake up.

nobody said the catholic church was the only church abusing kids. theres plenty of protestant churches doing it to... just a whole lot less.

its amazing how Christian folk want to protect evil in the name of "unity", even though children are being violated in more ways than we can discuss here... i'm glad thats not on my conscious or soul...

Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

again, thanks to lj, for obeying the command of Eph 5:11 and exposing evil.

and btw, cf... i am not baptist....
 
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centerpin fan

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"bashing" is what the priest did to the little kids... its called child abuse... wake up.

I don't have to "wake up". I agree. Nobody here is sticking up for pedophiles.

Geez! :rolleyes:


nobody said the catholic church was the only church abusing kids.

The OP was about the Catholic Church only. No other church was mentioned.


theres plenty of protestant churches doing it to... just a whole lot less.

Of course, there are fewer Protestants doing this. There are fewer Protestants to begin with.


its amazing how Christian folk want to protect evil in the name of "unity", even though children where violated...

Nobody's doing that here.
 

BeenHuntn

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I don't have to "wake up". I agree. Nobody here is sticking up for pedophiles.

The OP was about the Catholic Church only. No other church was mentioned.

Of course, there are fewer Protestants doing this. There are fewer Protestants to begin with.

Nobody's doing that here.

i wouldnt say that it was about the catholic church "only"... abusing kids is disgusting whether its a pope doing it or billy graham.

and btw... there are more protestant denominations than there are catholics in the world... :bounce:
 

thedeacon

Senior Member
"bashing" is what the priest did to the little kids... its called child abuse... wake up.

nobody said the catholic church was the only church abusing kids. theres plenty of protestant churches doing it to... just a whole lot less.

its amazing how Christian folk want to protect evil in the name of "unity", even though children are being violated in more ways than we can discuss here... i'm glad thats not on my conscious or soul...

Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

again, thanks to lj, for obeying the command of Eph 5:11 and exposing evil.

and btw, cf... i am not baptist....

In the thread as it started only Catholics were mentioned. Molesting a child is disgusting, molisting a grown woman is disgusting, molesting a grown man is disgusting. Its all sick, and to me almost unforgiveable.

I believe with all my heart that there will be a special place in Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ---- for someone that harms a small child.

Yes bashing is what some priest do to little kids, along with baptist, methodist, jews, christian church, church of christ, pentacostal and on and on and on and on and on.

I would never take lightly to a child being sexually abused. I wouldn't even like it if you were abused.

I don't think that just because I disagree with you that catholics are the worst of all makes me and idiot. I think that there are two many picking out of a certain groups for sins that is running rampent everywhere.
 

Ronnie T

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Speaking of bashing, remember, don't ever disagree with Beenhuntn. He'll come after you with both barrels.
 

BeenHuntn

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Speaking of bashing, remember, don't ever disagree with Beenhuntn. He'll come after you with both barrels.

yep, false preachers, beware.
 

Ronnie T

Ol' Retired Mod
yep, false preachers, beware.

You're so wound up in yourself and your "beliefs" that you have trouble calmly discussing an issue with someone who believes differently than you.
 

dawg2

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"bashing" is what the priest did to the little kids... its called child abuse... wake up.

nobody said the catholic church was the only church abusing kids. theres plenty of protestant churches doing it to... just a whole lot less.
its amazing how Christian folk want to protect evil in the name of "unity", even though children are being violated in more ways than we can discuss here... i'm glad thats not on my conscious or soul...

Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

again, thanks to lj, for obeying the command of Eph 5:11 and exposing evil.

and btw, cf... i am not baptist....

Actually, that is not true. In fact, some other religions are very good at hiding "things." Careful where you point that finger.

The Catholic church is very centralized and reports this abuse and also has implemented numerous controls to both prevent and stop any abuse.
 

Lowjack

Senior Member
None of those mentioned wether Jewish, Baptist Catholic or 7th day adventists or anyone who calls on Christ , will inherit the Kingdom of God if they are abusing children.
And I mentioned 7th day adventist because I was beat up by a school director of a 7th day adventist Academy, My Crime argueing the law is 313 commandments and not just 10.
 
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