Wolf??? Or Not!

Tight Lines

Senior Member
Did you have your black brush wolves tested for Bartrams wolf dna?
We trapped one of them in '19, and a wildlife biologist took it and tested it...the test was consistent with other studies out there...mostly coyote, some dog, some wolf DNA. I don't know what test he used, as from what I've read there are different testing methods / types out there.
 

Nicodemus

The Recluse
Staff member
Around here they are really helping the ground nesting birds by preying on the smaller predators that do a lot of damage to the ground nesters. What deer they take is a small price to pay for the good they do.
 

buckpasser

Senior Member
Around here they are really helping the ground nesting birds by preying on the smaller predators that do a lot of damage to the ground nesters. What deer they take is a small price to pay for the good they do.

I’m not arguing with you, but I don’t see that here. They like deer, turkeys, rabbits, small birds, rodents and armadillos, as well as a lot of fruit and vegetation. If they had any taste for possum or coon they have missed hundreds of chances to show me that on easy ones waiting for me to dispatch them in a foothold or dogproof. I’ve never had a coyote kill one, and they don’t even scavenge the coon dead piles.
 

Nicodemus

The Recluse
Staff member
I wonder sometimes that with all the hate for predators and the kill em all attitudes, is it a throwback and carryover from Early Europe and the fear of wolves over there that still lies in the minds of so many today. The Indians didn`t worry about such but a pile of white folks do.

If predators, especially the canine predators are so deadly, why in the tens of thousands of years that they have had the chance, why haven`t they wiped out the prey base? Can anybody name one prey animal that has been made extinct by four legged or even winged predators?
 

HermanMerman

Senior Member
I wonder sometimes that with all the hate for predators and the kill em all attitudes, is it a throwback and carryover from Early Europe and the fear of wolves over there that still lies in the minds of so many today. The Indians didn`t worry about such but a pile of white folks do.

If predators, especially the canine predators are so deadly, why in the tens of thousands of years that they have had the chance, why haven`t they wiped out the prey base? Can anybody name one prey animal that has been made extinct by four legged or even winged predators?
I’ve seen a pile of them in the woods over the years, but have never shot one. I always enjoyed watching them and like the idea of them being around.
 

The Original Rooster

Mayor of Spring Hill
I wonder sometimes that with all the hate for predators and the kill em all attitudes, is it a throwback and carryover from Early Europe and the fear of wolves over there that still lies in the minds of so many today. The Indians didn`t worry about such but a pile of white folks do.

If predators, especially the canine predators are so deadly, why in the tens of thousands of years that they have had the chance, why haven`t they wiped out the prey base? Can anybody name one prey animal that has been made extinct by four legged or even winged predators?
It appears that the DNR has a handle on managing the deer population despite coyotes with the deer population around 1 million in the state which is where the game biologist wants it according to their deer management plan. I don't think it's just coincidence that you and I have both seen the rise in the deer population from the 70's until today and that the coyote population has increased alongside it.

The only group that I see has a legitimate gripe about coyotes might be livestock owners but I've heard farmers complain more about losses to deer eating their crop than I've heard them complain about coyotes eating their stock.

There's got to be a balance in the predator/prey relationship and there's not enough hunters to maintain that balance so the coyotes seem to be a "necessary evil" just doing what they do.

https://georgiawildlife.com/sites/d...management/2015-2024_Deer_Management_Plan.pdf
 

Nicodemus

The Recluse
Staff member
It appears that the DNR has a handle on managing the deer population despite coyotes with the deer population around 1 million in the state which is where the game biologist wants it according to their deer management plan. I don't think it's just coincidence that you and I have both seen the rise in the deer population from the 70's until today and that the coyote population has increased alongside it.

The only group that I see has a legitimate gripe about coyotes might be livestock owners but I've heard farmers complain more about losses to deer eating their crop than I've heard them complain about coyotes eating their stock.

There's got to be a balance in the predator/prey relationship and there's not enough hunters to maintain that balance so the coyotes seem to be a "necessary evil" just doing what they do.

https://georgiawildlife.com/sites/d...management/2015-2024_Deer_Management_Plan.pdf



Yep. I believe I was on the planning committee in that link you provided.
 

NCHillbilly

Administrator
Staff member
I wonder sometimes that with all the hate for predators and the kill em all attitudes, is it a throwback and carryover from Early Europe and the fear of wolves over there that still lies in the minds of so many today. The Indians didn`t worry about such but a pile of white folks do.

If predators, especially the canine predators are so deadly, why in the tens of thousands of years that they have had the chance, why haven`t they wiped out the prey base? Can anybody name one prey animal that has been made extinct by four legged or even winged predators?
In every one of the old books I have that were written by early explorers in the southeast, they mention the abundance of wolves and the frightful howling sounds made by them going "in droves" hunting in the night. They also all describe an Eden-like abundance of deer and bears, turkeys by the bazillions, and all kinds of other game running thick. And that was with panthers also everywhere, and tens or hundreds of thousands of hungry Indians living off the game.
 

livinoutdoors

Goatherding Non-socialist Bohemian Luddite
I wonder sometimes that with all the hate for predators and the kill em all attitudes, is it a throwback and carryover from Early Europe and the fear of wolves over there that still lies in the minds of so many today. The Indians didn`t worry about such but a pile of white folks do.

If predators, especially the canine predators are so deadly, why in the tens of thousands of years that they have had the chance, why haven`t they wiped out the prey base? Can anybody name one prey animal that has been made extinct by four legged or even winged predators?
The natural world seems to like the idea of balance and seeks it at all costs. Humanity seems to think we are exempt from it and fights it, at all costs.
 

Danuwoa

Redneck Emperor
I wonder sometimes that with all the hate for predators and the kill em all attitudes, is it a throwback and carryover from Early Europe and the fear of wolves over there that still lies in the minds of so many today. The Indians didn`t worry about such but a pile of white folks do.

If predators, especially the canine predators are so deadly, why in the tens of thousands of years that they have had the chance, why haven`t they wiped out the prey base? Can anybody name one prey animal that has been made extinct by four legged or even winged predators?
Not only that but nothing man dies is going to get rid of the coyote. People
Can’t trap or kill enough of them to even make a dent in their numbers. This is why I don’t even worry about them. I don’t worry with any predators.
 

rosewood

Senior Member
They are all Canine and can interbreed, regardless of what species we decide to call them.

Rosewood
 

WOODIE13

2023 TURKEY CHALLENGE 1st place Team
Wiley Coyote, simply genius
 

rosewood

Senior Member

rosewood

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Nicodemus

The Recluse
Staff member
I`m still waiting for anybody to answer my question in post # 124.
 
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