Ted Haggart

[Randy]

Now you might understand why I worship God from my deer stand.

 

[Spotlite]

Randy, even if he did what the news said he did, the Bible warns you of those type folks. I dont know if he did or not, that will come to light Im sure and pretty fast.

Even as a hunter, all hunters dont obey the law do they?

Point being, there are bad apples in everything bunch regardless.
For the record, Im dont condemn you for your choice of place for where you worship, thats between you and God.

 

[No. GA. Mt. Man]

I don't know this man's heart but this verse settles it for me:
M't:7:21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
No matter what someone else does it in no way affects my commitment to Christ. I was there when I got saved and know when he saved me and know what I feel in my heart and nothing anyone says or does can take that away because beyond a shadow of a doubt I know what happened was and is REAL.

 

[Randy]

It may not affect your commitment but it certainly affects many. Those members of the church must feel betrayed?

Further, because he was a national leader in the christian community he should be condemened by the christian community. This guy has been a part of the national scene talking about the Bible being removed from schools and gay marriage. Many non-christians have heard him speak against this stuff and now find that he has been doing some of the same stuff! Like calling out John Kerry or Clinton, Ted should be called out as well.

 

[FX Jenkins]

As a Christian, I don't do any condemming, thats Gods business..

If true, its a disgrace, but according to God, we're all a disgrace without the attoinment of Christs blood

I do not put my faith in man, any man...only my confidence is broken..

We all stumble from time to time...and when a leader falls, in the public eye this is very damaging to what they represent, but it is ours to pick up and carry on.....

 

[Randy]

As a Christian, I don't do any condemming, thats Gods business.......

Sorry. Based on some of your recent comments about Kerry, I though you were condeming him, or his actions. I could have just taken them out of context?

 

[Dudley Do-Wrong]

Let's wait for the facts before there's a rush to judgement.

 

[Randy]

Let's wait for the facts before there's a rush to judgement.

I hope nobody thinks I am judging. I am going on what the news said this morning. That he did in fact admit to this stuff! He has resigned as the pastor based on what I heard. As I understand it he originally denied it but faced with the evidence has now admitted doing "some of it."

 

[PWalls]

There is no such thing as a perfect Church. There is no perfect pastor. All are sinners.

I am saddened to hear this news about him.

Looks like he is stepping down and allowing the Church discipline process to go forward. If he doesn not repent, then he should be escorted from the Church and not allowed back until he does.

Or, he could probably go find a liberal church somewhere that would love to have him.

 

[Randy]

Even if he repents he should never be allowed to teach again. This goes much deeper than His church. Lin has already posted an article from a paper where Ted was/is very close to Bush. This can and probably will hurt Bush as well. These guys must not only repent but PAY for their unfaithfullness to the people who look up to them. Of course we all sin, but when you are a teacher, your expectations are held higher than the average christian, as they should be.

 

[Spotlite]

I am going on what the news said this morning. That he did in fact admit to this stuff! He has resigned as the pastor based on what I heard. As I understand it he originally denied it but faced with the evidence has now admitted doing "some of it."

I saw that a little while ago, when I first commented on this I had only heard his comment on the radio denying it. But there seems to be some evidence and with him resigning, well it looks like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar while advertising for slim fast.

 

[Spotlite]

There is no such thing as a perfect Church. There is no perfect pastor. All are sinners.

I am saddened to hear this news about him.

Looks like he is stepping down and allowing the Church discipline process to go forward. If he doesn not repent, then he should be escorted from the Church and not allowed back until he does.

Or, he could probably go find a liberal church somewhere that would love to have him.

Partly I agree, there are no perfect people, but you have to practice what you preach.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Behind every church dinasty is greed and lust.
The only exception would be Billy G. or maybe he was better at hiding things, I dont know and dont care.
I dont need an interpretor to speak to God.

 

[Arrow3]

Can someone kinda fill us in on what happened...Or give me a link to read about it.

 

[Randy]

Can someone kinda fill us in on what happened...Or give me a link to read about it.

http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=84721

 

[FX Jenkins]

I believe judging ones political caliber is our human responsibility as citizens...

Condemning a man, spiritually, or in regard to sin is a matter that requires a little more discretion, as outlined in scripture..God tells us how to deal with sin in the church..

1 Cor 5: 9-13
No church should fail to discipline offending members (1 Corinthians. 5:5).

Ultimate discipline is not to be decided by one person, but by the whole church (1 Corinthians 5:45a).

The purpose of discipline is not penal, but the restoration of the offender (1 Cor. 5:5b).

A repentant brother or sister should in turn be forgiven and treated with affection (2 Cor. 2:8).

Severity and a lack of sympathy may drive a sinner to desperation and place the individual under the grip of Satan (2 Cor. 2:7).

1 Timothy 5:20 "Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning."

However

1 Corinthians 6:1-8 "If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?

Galatians 6:1 "Brothers, if someone is caught in sin...You who are spiritual should restore him gently.

Titus 3:10-11 "Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."

Matthew 18:15-16 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you ... but if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'"

Matthew 18:15 "If he listens to you, you have won your brother over."

Scripture also tells us that teachers and pastors are held in a greater responsibility, and that Gods judgement of those who lead his people astray will be more severe.

 

[Arrow3]

http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=84721

Thanks...

 

[Randy]

Ok FX, I understand the condemnation of memebers of the church. But in my opinion when a man such as Taggart publically speaks out against homosexual being wrong, adultry being wrong and other things he has said are wrong (and I agree with him) then when he does those wrongs himself, it should be made public that we christians do not agree with him and that he should step down. You may feel this is different from politics but he has involved himself in this politics. And just like any politician that is wrong and his side expresses there disapproval christians should do likewise. If not, non-christians will think us to be hypocrits.

 

[Lead Poison]

I believe judging ones political caliber is our human responsibility as citizens...

Condemning a man, spiritually, or in regard to sin is a matter that requires a little more discretion, as outlined in scripture..God tells us how to deal with sin in the church..

1 Cor 5: 9-13
No church should fail to discipline offending members (1 Corinthians. 5:5).

Ultimate discipline is not to be decided by one person, but by the whole church (1 Corinthians 5:45a).

The purpose of discipline is not penal, but the restoration of the offender (1 Cor. 5:5b).

A repentant brother or sister should in turn be forgiven and treated with affection (2 Cor. 2:8).

Severity and a lack of sympathy may drive a sinner to desperation and place the individual under the grip of Satan (2 Cor. 2:7).

1 Timothy 5:20 "Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning."

However

1 Corinthians 6:1-8 "If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?

Galatians 6:1 "Brothers, if someone is caught in sin...You who are spiritual should restore him gently.

Titus 3:10-11 "Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."

Matthew 18:15-16 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you ... but if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'"

Matthew 18:15 "If he listens to you, you have won your brother over."

Scripture also tells us that teachers and pastors are held in a greater responsibility, and that Gods judgement of those who lead his people astray will be more severe.

FX, I agree with what you've said.

 

[Flintlock1776]

he's toast, made the resignation today. Lets move on