Transhumanism

[Danuwoa]

I'm sure they heard plenty of that, too.

Are you in favor of this or something or just only see it one way?

You can say, “I’m right.” and it although you can’t prove you are nobody can say with all certainty you’re not. But that road runs both ways.

 

[ambush80]

 

[The Original Rooster]

I'm thinking that one day there will be a separate category in the Olympics for para-athletes and that they will be crushing the scores of regular athletes.

Some already do. It's a lot more efficient to do a marathon on wheels that on foot.

 

[ambush80]

Are you in favor of this or something or just only see it one way?

You can say, “I’m right.” and it although you can’t prove you are nobody can say with all certainty you’re not. But that road runs both ways.

I'm ambivalent, but I encourage the pursuit of all knowledge and technological advancement. I can't see it stopping.

 

[Danuwoa]

I'm ambivalent, but I encourage the pursuit of all knowledge and technological advancement.

Yet you claim to somehow want to eliminate suffering. Interesting.

 

[The Original Rooster]

Maybe there's a programmer or engineer who's daughter can't walk and he wishes he could give her new legs or a new heart or eyes......

Hold on now. There's a big difference between technology creating parity with other humans with eyes, hearts, limbs, etc. and technology creating superhumans with overly enhanced eyes, hearts, and limbs.

 

[ambush80]

Yet you claim to somehow want to eliminate suffering. Interesting.

I think I would be more productive and useful if some of my own physical suffering were ameliorated. If tech raised the standard of living for people around the world or cured infirmities, particularly in the most impoverished placed, I think that would be super.

 

[Danuwoa]

I think I would be more productive and useful if some of my own physical suffering were ameliorated. If tech raised the standard of living for people around the world or cured infirmities, particularly in the most impoverished placed, I think that would be super.

Yeah, that’s what you think.

 

[livinoutdoors]

Maybe there's a programmer or engineer who's daughter can't walk and he wishes he could give her new legs or a new heart or eyes......

Tyrants always use compassion as an excuse. There is a difference and i know you can see it.

 

[ambush80]

Hold on now. There's a big difference between technology creating parity with other humans with eyes, hearts, limbs, etc. and technology creating superhumans with overly enhanced eyes, hearts, and limbs.

If infra red was an option, someone would get it. Like I said before, it will probably be the military. There was an interesting question raised in the Q&A about what would happen to all the decommissioned, enhanced soldiers?

 

[Danuwoa]

Tyrants always use compassion as an excuse. There is a difference and i know you can see it.

Yeah eugenics and other such horrors have always had a compassionate face put on them. Communism surely did.

 

[ambush80]

Tyrants always use compassion as an excuse. There is a difference and i know you can see it.

I know an engineer who designs air foils at Ga Tech. He loves talking about them. I love listening to him talk about them. They're mostly used for flight surfaces on missiles.

 

[The Original Rooster]

I think I would be more productive and useful if some of my own physical suffering were ameliorated. If tech raised the standard of living for people around the world or cured infirmities, particularly in the most impoverished placed, I think that would be super.

Again, there's a difference between technology being used to alleviate the suffering of disease and infirmity and transhumanism where we integrate or are replaced by technology.

 

[ambush80]

I think there are plenty of coders who are just really stoked about inventing something. I'm glad someone cracked open an atom.

 

[The Original Rooster]

If infra red was an option, someone would get it. Like I said before, it will probably be the military. There was an interesting question raised in the Q&A about what would happen to all the decommissioned, enhanced soldiers?

You are likely correct, but the ethics of it are questionable. People shouldn't be able to look through a wall to feed their perversions of invading other people's privacy.
This thread is becoming an argument about technology vs no technology instead of transhumanism. Technology itself is not a bad thing.
The metal plow allowed humans to begin farming places that the wooden plow wouldn't pierce the ground, thereby allowing more food supply.
10,000 years later, if an automatic robotic plow plants all our food and we forget how to do it ourselves, are we better for losing that knowledge? I think not.

 

[ambush80]

You are likely correct, but the ethics of it are questionable. People shouldn't be able to look through a wall to feed their perversions of invading other people's privacy.

It's a tug of war between people who want to use tech for bad and those creating tech to stop them. Same thing is happening with anything that can be hacked. Hackers make the best anti-hackers.

 

[Danuwoa]

You are likely correct, but the ethics of it are questionable. People shouldn't be able to look through a wall to feed their perversions of invading other people's privacy.

Aw come on. Only good things can come from chasing this butterfly as far as it goes.

 

[The Original Rooster]

Aw come on. Only good things can come from chasing this butterfly as far as it goes.

Butterflies on flowers are beautiful but butterflies land on poop sometimes too and that ain't beautiful.

 

[ambush80]

You are likely correct, but the ethics of it are questionable. People shouldn't be able to look through a wall to feed their perversions of invading other people's privacy.
This thread is becoming an argument about technology vs no technology instead of transhumanism. Technology itself is not a bad thing.
The metal plow allowed humans to begin farming places that the wooden plow wouldn't pierce the ground, thereby allowing more food supply.
10,000 years later, if an automatic robotic plow plants all our food and we forget how to do it ourselves, are we better for losing that knowledge? I think not.

The only thing we need is the knowledge. Integrating humans with AI is tech and tech itself is not a bad thing.

 

[The Original Rooster]

The only thing we need is the knowledge. Integrating humans with AI is tech and tech itself is not a bad thing.

Exactly my point. Technology itself isn't bad but integrating or replacing humans with technology beyond normal human capabilities or causing human capabilities to be reduced could be. Like most things, we have to use moderation and find the ethical balance.