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red neck richie
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Yes it is
Walt have you received or have you given a Christmas present? Why is it so offensive to you? I know the answer so I guess my real question is why you are offended by it? Yes you are. To the point of wanting me to not be able to celebrate in public. Christmas has been around a long time.
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Spotlite
Resident Homesteader
Not really, at least this is not the feeling with the majority of folks I deal with. The beef is removing something that we felt helped maintain a civil society, and leaving a void. We didn’t put anything back there. Even if we were wrong, we as a society still failed for leaving a void. My point is I’m not asking you to believe in my God, but why can’t we as a society agree to teach some moral standards without either side screaming, for lack of better words, “freedom of religion” or “freedom from religion”. Seriously, look at the generation that we have created. And for a moment, you almost sounded like a bully
bullethead
Of the hard cast variety
A cristmas present offensive?
What does a jolly fat man dressed in a red suit have to do with Jesus or Christianity? Richie, take the time to resesrch the holiday and how it came to be.
Ps.(in a wisper) Jesus wasnt born on the Dec. 25th.
WaltL1
Senior Member
Not really, at least this is not the feeling with the majority of folks I deal with. The beef is removing something that we felt helped maintain a civil society, and leaving a void. We didn’t put anything back there. Even if we were wrong, we as a society still failed for leaving a void. My point is I’m not asking you to believe in my God, but why can’t we as a society agree to teach some moral standards without either side screaming, for lack of better words, “freedom of religion” or “freedom from religion”. Seriously, look at the generation that we have created. And for a moment, you almost sounded like a bully
I understand that you believe that.
Couple of questions -
Are you telling me that removing 15 seconds of prayer in public school made God disappear from your or any Christian's life?
Can a Christian, at any time of the day or night, regardless of where they are, communicate with God?
Who is "we"? Be honest.
Israel
BANNED
I think it was Ronald Reagan who used the phrase "City on a Hill" as though the USA could somehow "make itself" fit the bill. There have been numerous others that have borrowed an idea they believe they see in scripture that would add a legitimacy in equating this republic to the Church...or the manifestation of the Kingdom of God.
Is it a bad aspiration? I couldn't say so. Is it terribly naive and unconvincing? For without the preaching of the King it must remain a kingdom divided. Men cannot "enact" what is already established, at best they may come to an agreement in some sort in seeing "This thing already is"...and from there find a very pointed question of themselves "Am I in, or out?" But for men to think they are the establishers...either by laws or their coercion...well, it just don't work that way. Laws cannot make or further...what is established in mercy and grace.
A simple thing. Even if conceding some "light" to an earthly nation...why such a tremendous push back against southern neighbors who may flock to it...or others from s***hole countries? Wouldn't one expect that, and even be glad of it? The cost of having truly open arms is more than men like to pay. Or can. Except for One.
But yes, I believe it a vanity of sorts...a pride...of sorts that propels men to expound well beyond their ability to deliver. It causes men and nations to feel good about themselves. But, I believe this of myself, no less, and must have it dealt with by deliverance into a something that is escape from that vanity. That I...can make of myself...anything at all. LOL...it's not unlike waking up to that phrase undercover cops on TV use when the wiser finds them out..."we been made".
Till the man...and his words match...the work is in progress.
Is it a bad aspiration? I couldn't say so. Is it terribly naive and unconvincing? For without the preaching of the King it must remain a kingdom divided. Men cannot "enact" what is already established, at best they may come to an agreement in some sort in seeing "This thing already is"...and from there find a very pointed question of themselves "Am I in, or out?" But for men to think they are the establishers...either by laws or their coercion...well, it just don't work that way. Laws cannot make or further...what is established in mercy and grace.
A simple thing. Even if conceding some "light" to an earthly nation...why such a tremendous push back against southern neighbors who may flock to it...or others from s***hole countries? Wouldn't one expect that, and even be glad of it? The cost of having truly open arms is more than men like to pay. Or can. Except for One.
But yes, I believe it a vanity of sorts...a pride...of sorts that propels men to expound well beyond their ability to deliver. It causes men and nations to feel good about themselves. But, I believe this of myself, no less, and must have it dealt with by deliverance into a something that is escape from that vanity. That I...can make of myself...anything at all. LOL...it's not unlike waking up to that phrase undercover cops on TV use when the wiser finds them out..."we been made".
Till the man...and his words match...the work is in progress.
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WaltL1
Senior Member
Of course.
Its not offensive at all. I enjoy giving or getting presents on any day.
I know. Its been around since before it was even called Christmas.
I don't care if you want to dress like Mary and parade up and down the streets wishing the whole world a Merry Christmas.
Why do you think Christmas would offend me?
SemperFiDawg
Political Forum Arbiter of Truth (And Lies Too)
You avoided my question.
Does it, or is that your interpretation?
Well what's your conclusion on the matter and on what do you base it?
Not worth responding to.
SemperFiDawg
Political Forum Arbiter of Truth (And Lies Too)
Agree completely. When you lose the vertical transcendent anchor for morality up becomes down, down becomes up. That's where we are. A nation with no moral compass and proud of it.
SemperFiDawg
Political Forum Arbiter of Truth (And Lies Too)
Your point?
You laid the blame for the Indians displacement and atrocities at the feet or religion. It either is or it isn't the motive. Apparently we both agree it was money, so why blame it on religion. Call it for what it was.
And again, it's beside the point. Religion and individually following Christ are 2 totally separate things. To infer they are one is false.
WaltL1
Senior Member
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I didn't avoid your question. I pointed out that Christians, who you say believe that all life has infinite value and infinite dignity etc. has been killing other people since Christianity was created.
How dignified do you figure those women looked tied to a pole, their skin burnt and bubbling and bursting because they were deemed by Christians to be witches?
Their life had infinite value?
You know what infinite means right?
oh please.
I can only give you my personal opinion.
No not all life has infinite value and dignity.
Murder, rape etc one of my loved ones and your life isn't worth a plugged nickel and if possible I will make you die a very undignified death.
That's fine. You would have to get around the answer to your first question anyway.
Miguel Cervantes
Jedi Master
You left out; "While running from the very same oppressive tyranny they were applying to the Native Americans."
WaltL1
Senior Member
The Native Americans didn't have a chance.
A huge financial/political/personal gain in combination with man willing to justify his atrocities in God's name is a pretty deadly combination.
bullethead
Of the hard cast variety
Based off of your definition/understanding/belief in "God", how can humans remove/not allow/banish your God from schools or anywhere else?Not really, at least this is not the feeling with the majority of folks I deal with. The beef is removing something that we felt helped maintain a civil society, and leaving a void. We didn’t put anything back there. Even if we were wrong, we as a society still failed for leaving a void. My point is I’m not asking you to believe in my God, but why can’t we as a society agree to teach some moral standards without either side screaming, for lack of better words, “freedom of religion” or “freedom from religion”. Seriously, look at the generation that we have created. And for a moment, you almost sounded like a bully
WaltL1
Senior Member
I keep trying to make that exact point but maybe I'm not wording right
To say that there is now a "void" or because you literally kicked God out of school society is now going to crap because of it.....
is to completely contradict the whole God is everywhere, is all powerful, knows what you are thinking, knows when you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake and all that other stuff.
bullethead
Of the hard cast variety
I keep trying to make that exact point but maybe I'm not wording right
To say that there is now a "void" or because you literally kicked God out of school society is now going to crap because of it.....
is to completely contradict the whole God is everywhere, is all powerful, knows what you are thinking, knows when you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake and all that other stuff.
Yeah, I am trying to figure out how god is a victim here or can somehow be prevented from being with his "chosen" people simply by the words Public School appearing on a building.
What I think is happening is that it is an unintended admission of god being more of a practice or ceremonial rather than just being.
bullethead
Of the hard cast variety
What can be said of the Christian god that sets his chosen children on paths of disobedience and destruction merely because the kids are not allowed to pray to him in school?
Or, is it more of a believers plea that...We are losing these kids as followers because not praying in school is one less chance at keeping a routine of indoctrination?
Or, is it more of a believers plea that...We are losing these kids as followers because not praying in school is one less chance at keeping a routine of indoctrination?
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
According to Stanley G. Payne, "[T]he expansion of the faith was inextricably intertwined with military glory and economic profit. Because of this it is idle to ask, as is frequently done, whether the Portuguese pioneers and Castilian conquistadores were motivated more by greed or by religious zeal. In the Hispanic crusading expansionist ideology, the two went together.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_the_Age_of_Discovery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_the_Age_of_Discovery
Spotlite
Resident Homesteader
No it didn’t and doesn’t affect me and many others at all as far as our communication to God.
Since it was a Supreme Court decision, the “we” is all of us as a society.
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