Miguel Cervantes
Jedi Master
I don't think a Christian pledges allegiance to the flag or to the republic.
That is a peculiar assumption, and mostly incorrect.
I don't think a Christian pledges allegiance to the flag or to the republic.
I don't think a Christian pledges allegiance to the flag or to the republic.
Ahhh, so freedom to choose and worship only counts if it is the same god that you worship.
I do appreciate your honesty though.
Why do you think we are One Nation Under God instead of One Nation Under Jesus?
Is it fair to say then that you would be ok with just the Jews and Christians praying out loud in schools since it's the same god?
Who's God was it before 1954?
Pledge of Allegiance
(Bellamy versions)
1892 (first version)
[1]"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
1892 to 1923"
I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
1923 to 1954 [1]
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
1954 (current version)
4 U.S.C. §4 2]"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
My only point is the Red Man can tell us some great stories about how well things worked out for them by letting anyone and everyone come in and we adapt to them.
You aren't being told you can't do it in a group that believes the same as you. In fact you have your very own places to go to be with that group.No I’m not saying that. I’m saying freedom to worship is just that without a group telling me and a group that worship the same God that we can’t do it as a group. And if I don’t want to worship with a particular group, I should excuse myself and let them be. For my belief, God and Jesus are one.
Now see if you can recognize why having your very own schools and places to worship doesn't seem to be good enough for you.But that’s just my biased opinion.
If we continue to adapt, we will no longer be what we once were. Sort of my comment about going from Little House on the Prairie to the Purge. Each new generation is offended by something.I am not getting that Point at all.
If it only stopped at school prayer, I’d say you’re right. But it wasn’t that long ago that churches and Pastors were under fire about turning over their sermons and threatened to be forced into performing gay marriages when they didn’t believe in it.You aren't being told you can't do it in a group that believes the same as you. In fact you have your very own places to go to be with that group.
Christian schools.
Home schooling.
Churches.
Its great that you can recognize -
Now see if you can recognize why having your very own schools and places to worship doesn't seem to be good enough for you.
I honestly could not care less about what people who are like minded do when they are all in agreement and in their own setting. As long as they aren't telling me or others what we should be doing, live and let live.If we continue to adapt, we will no longer be what we once were. Sort of my comment about going from Little House on the Prairie to the Purge. Each new generation is offended by something.
If it only stopped at school prayer, I’d say you’re right. But it wasn’t that long ago that churches and Pastors were under fire about turning over their sermons and threatened to be forced into performing gay marriages when they didn’t believe in it.
For the record for the both of you, I’m not disagreeing with either of you about prayer in school. Part of my Christian upbringing is to treat people the same way I want to be treated. I wouldn’t want to be forced to listen to a prayer that I didn’t believe in, so I wouldn’t want that forced on others. What I would like to see is no one making a big deal about a coach and his team praying if they’re all of the same believe.
If we continue to adapt, we will no longer be what we once were. Sort of my comment about going from Little House on the Prairie to the Purge. Each new generation is offended by something.
If it only stopped at school prayer, I’d say you’re right. But it wasn’t that long ago that churches and Pastors were under fire about turning over their sermons and threatened to be forced into performing gay marriages when they didn’t believe in it.
For the record for the both of you, I’m not disagreeing with either of you about prayer in school. Part of my Christian upbringing is to treat people the same way I want to be treated. I wouldn’t want to be forced to listen to a prayer that I didn’t believe in, so I wouldn’t want that forced on others. What I would like to see is no one making a big deal about a coach and his team praying if they’re all of the same believe.
Churches get big tax breaks. By taking those tax breaks they subject themselves to all kind of rules and regulations.If it only stopped at school prayer, I’d say you’re right. But it wasn’t that long ago that churches and Pastors were under fire about turning over their sermons and threatened to be forced into performing gay marriages when they didn’t believe in it.
What I would like to see is no one making a big deal about a coach and his team praying if they’re all of the same believe.
But that's just it. Public schools are attended by the public. The % of the public who are NOT Christian has been steadily increasing for years.if they’re all of the same believe.
Churches get big tax breaks. By taking those tax breaks they subject themselves to all kind of rules and regulations.
How to fix it?
Don't take the tax breaks. Let God provide.
By the way guess who pays for those tax breaks?
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Reminds me of the commercial;
I sometimes raid the camp of zero and they don't even know it.Nooo, certainly not one of the 5 or 6 TRUE Christians who feel they set the bar (hand chosen by the Lord to do so of course) that all the other Christians are pretending to achieve, I was referring to the other Dozens of Millions of Christians that Love their Country along with their God.
I sometimes raid the camp of zero and they don't even know it.
BTW, I do not think that Christians love their country along with their God.
Until it isn't.That is a peculiar assumption, and mostly incorrect.
BTW, I do not think that Christians love their country along with their God.
In China, Russia, Afghanistan etc.?You thought wrong. Christians love their country and respects those that have authority. The Christian prays for God to continue to bless their country.