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XIronheadX
PF Trump Cam Operator !20/20
Yeah I read that one too. Noticed it said March and early April. I agree in some circumstances its good. Like if you have a 100 acres and no large creek bottoms and a bunch of grown up select cut pines.
XIronheadX
PF Trump Cam Operator !20/20
List some. We'll read it.
General Sherman
Member
It's pretty well been established that hens prefer to nest in growing season burns from the previous year and that nests loss due to growing season burns are at least compensatory for losses due to other factors. Either way, the habitat improvement caused by growing season burns far outweighs the loss of those few nests.
People seem to forget that pretty much the entire SE has always been a fire dominated ecosystem. Turkeys have been living with it since they split from their reptilian ancestors.
Avian x decoys, scoot and shoot nonsense, and tent blinds are another story
People seem to forget that pretty much the entire SE has always been a fire dominated ecosystem. Turkeys have been living with it since they split from their reptilian ancestors.
Avian x decoys, scoot and shoot nonsense, and tent blinds are another story
What it said is that wildlife biologists and the NWTF all agree that benefits to turkeys far outway the few lost nests. Turkeys will re-nest if destroyed.
For most land, a growing season burn makes more sense than a dormant season burn.
It improves poult survival so I don’t understand why any turkey hunter would be anti-burn?
fountain
Senior Member
There's a lot to be asked as to understand why they want to burn now. This is the sad truth, people and doing these burns for the money and habitat (although they aren't thinking of the critters the inhabit those woods and their nesting habits).
Also, as I mentioned before here, wire grass seeds out this time of year. Burn it, let the seed hit fresh ground and start more wire grass clumps. People have their reasons. It's their land and their ideas. That's about all we can say on this.
Also, as I mentioned before here, wire grass seeds out this time of year. Burn it, let the seed hit fresh ground and start more wire grass clumps. People have their reasons. It's their land and their ideas. That's about all we can say on this.
XIronheadX
PF Trump Cam Operator !20/20
I'm not against burning in small areas. But, I think once you start it's a rotation process that' you gotta keep up with. I got a pic of some prime nesting habitat as they say. I can see them using the edges of it the 2nd year. Other than that they aren't walking through it. If you have a big creek bottom and different stages of pine growth connected to it, the turkey's do fine. It depends on what type of property you hunt. Whole point is timber companies and large landowners couldn't give a flip about turkey habitat.
I agree with Sherm, lol, yeah blinds, decoys, and deer hunting turkeys put a dent in them and should be a sin.
I agree with Sherm, lol, yeah blinds, decoys, and deer hunting turkeys put a dent in them and should be a sin.
If it’s all about the money, why does the national wild turkey federation recommend it? They in bed with the timber companies?
What about the wildlife biologists? The people who actually have a degree and not just an opinion.
PulaskiHunter
Senior Member
I'm for control burns and understand the benefits for the ecosystem, but during the nest and hatching season? The NWTF support burning then and it's more beneficial to the turkey population then? I'm a member and would love to understand their position. If the science supports it I'll sleep better
XIronheadX
PF Trump Cam Operator !20/20
PulaskiHunter
Senior Member
I guess I can sleep better if I believe what is written. My family property is in Southwest ga, so maybe they are doing some research
http://www.nwtf.org/conservation/article/wild-turkeys-prescribed-fire-southern-piney-woods
http://www.nwtf.org/conservation/article/wild-turkeys-prescribed-fire-southern-piney-woods
XIronheadX
PF Trump Cam Operator !20/20
It seems that about everything I read is that area. I know Southwest Ga is listed as the highest priority for Longleaf environments. For quail and turkey. It's working well there it appears. Problem is I haven't seen a longleaf since I left Washington Co in the 90's. They cut them all down at the Fall line along with the mixed hardwoods.
fountain
Senior Member
Fund money...part of the available programs will pay for burns
Garnto88
Senior Member
Why do you want to destroy a nest of 10 only to hope the re nest has 2 or 3. And if they are nesting there anyway that destroys the argument of producing better nesting sites . People think turkeys fall out of the sky much like deer hunters think deer do also .. sad!!
Burning cuts down predation so if burning reduced poults hatching by 5% but increased poult survival by 25% that’s a good thing right?
I made the numbers up but it has been proven by every study I’ve seen that the loss is minimal to burning but there is substantial predetaition loss in burned areas.
XIronheadX
PF Trump Cam Operator !20/20
I keep looking at the "after" pic above. The one I have for Mississippi prime nesting habitat looks similar. I can see a turkey nesting on the outer edge maybe about 5 to 10 ft inside of it. All the middle area is useless. No turkey is walking in that. lol. Unless you start bush hogging it into strips 15 to 20 yards wide. So, if by "up to" 2/3 of hens will renest. I still don't see the logic.
Because we had more turkeys before the trend toward nesting season burns. That is a much bigger data set than anything collected by those looking to justify making the job of burning easier.
Luke.Deer.Commander
Senior Member
Everyone enjoys coming to the forum to have discussion but the discussion isn’t worth while if all parties involved don’t do any research on the topic. Basing your opinion on previous experiences 25 years ago don’t make you right. Comparing then to now never works. I’ll never understand why this is such a hard topic for most to comprehend.
