SemperFiDawg
Political Forum Arbiter of Truth (And Lies Too)
Wow. You need a good dose of secular, humanist rationality.
Secular humanist rationality is an oxymoron 'a la clearly confused.
Wow. You need a good dose of secular, humanist rationality.
Secular humanist rationality is an oxymoron 'a la clearly confused.
As Walt pointed out, he doesn't want to discuss. He used to try and wasn't very good at it.
Close. I did for the most part give up. I learned you can't discuss the truth with those who hold truth and morality are relative. Now I just post here and there to point out the obvious absurdities of atheism, which is easy.
I'd like to have a discussion with you. What part sounds irrational or confused to you?
The part where a person who believes in absolute truth discusses any relevant matter with one who holds truth and morality is relative.
I did the math and a little google research. 22% of the NT that does not overlap in the same story is the words of Jesus . Of this 22%....... how much of it is directed at the Pharisees, etc, or arguments with the hard core Jews, etc. I stand firm on my statement in the op that only 10% is words of Jesus on how to live as a Christian. Waiting on SemperfiDawg to say "no it ain't"
You are going to make a great atheist some day. 10%
I might add that many new Christians will struggle with the same issue of works vs grace that Paul did. Maybe even election as Saul experienced vs one who is looking or seeking salvation.
We read these testimonies of people whose life has gone astray. In most of these accounts, it's something that happens beyond their involvement that leads them to God or Jesus. They aren't seeking, God leads them by a set of unexplained events.
Beyond that initial calling as that new Christian progresses, he suddenly wonders what role he plays or played in his salvation.
Maybe he reads James and compares that to Paul. I will admit that Paul is different. It's like his epistles don't fit the writings of the other apostles.
Even Paul questions his own thoughts a lot. His struggle between works and grace. It's so different that one can and will question.
I myself question the things Paul did. I can identify with him. I can see why people question his apostleship. I wonder or question how God can call someone like Paul who wasn't seeking.
Something related to teaching to the Gentiles was revealed to Paul. A mystery or secret. A change perhaps or an age of grace as some call it. Something different. The way Saul was called. His revelation. His mission.
Initially I myself doubted his calling. It made it appear that God had initially presented salvation to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles. That their rejection brought salvation to the gentiles as well. This presented the dilemma that God's plan had changed.
This is another struggle within Christianity. That Jesus came to the Jew first and then the Gentile. That the Jew's rejection allowed salvation to be offered to the Gentiles.
This concept is a big part of what Paul was about. He said it was his revelation from God. So we as believers who were taught God doesn't change suddenly had to believe that he did. We also had to follow Paul with other belief concepts that showed other changes as well.
Paul was almost like a rogue, another Jesus, another concept, another apostle, another revelation,
I really can't see where a Christian who is seeking the truth, wouldn't question Saul's election.
This portion of the post made me realize a big void in Bart's speech as well as my own thinking. Likely the single most reason that the Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah was the idea that he was not exclusive to the so called "chosen", including gentiles and including sinners....... Thinking out loud here....... and his strong talk..... and how he offended them....... this term comes to mind.... "The offense of the cross." hmmmm....... it was offensive to those whom thought they were living right, to be told that their father is the devil..... I'm not surprised that they rejected him. I'm not sure I believe all the claims of what Jesus supposedly said. It would be like me going into a church...... a church that I don't agree with, and telling them that their father is the devil..... These people, this hypothetical church, whether wrong or not... are trying to serve God. Wholeheartedly wanting to please God in all cases. Maybe wrong, but with good intentions. And then to tell them their father is the devil..... No, he did not say that. Can you imagine the rage you would have after living your entire life jumping through all the jewish hoops, having lived this your entire life, praying, all that comes with the Jewish life, wholeheartedly trying to serve God, and then some stranger says your father is the devil. EDIT, having lived the life of the law according to how God had said. If God has a new way, a change in our road map, you could explain or give us new direction without saying our father is the devil. Bear in mind the context. They were an audience because they were interested in whether he may be the coming, expected messiah.Initially I myself doubted his calling. It made it appear that God had initially presented salvation to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles. That their rejection brought salvation to the gentiles as well. This presented the dilemma that God's plan had changed.
This is another struggle within Christianity. That Jesus came to the Jew first and then the Gentile.
It's almost as bad as people in the political forum constantly whining about things that they don't believe in like, democrats, liberals and unions, but yet day after day....post after post....Why does nearly every single thread in the AAA forum have to do with something that they vehemently deny believing in?
Don't true Atheist have anything else to talk about?
It's almost as bad as people in the political forum constantly whining about things that they don't believe in like, democrats, liberals and unions, but yet day after day....post after post....
Why does nearly every single thread in the AAA forum have to do with something that they vehemently deny believing in?
Don't true Atheist have anything else to talk about?
I did the math and a little google research. 22% of the NT that does not overlap in the same story is the words of Jesus . Of this 22%....... how much of it is directed at the Pharisees, etc, or arguments with the hard core Jews, etc. I stand firm on my statement in the op that only 10% is words of Jesus on how to live as a Christian. Waiting on SemperfiDawg to say "no it ain't"
Uhhh.. for the same reason that nearly every single thread in the Fishing forums are about fishing?Why does nearly every single thread in the AAA forum have to do with something that they vehemently deny believing in?
Don't true Atheist have anything else to talk about?
You didn't read it, did you? If you did you would know that they don't talk about absolute truth. Why do you say things that aren't true?
Uhhh.. for the same reason that nearly every single thread in the Fishing forums are about fishing?