Paul Teachings VS Jesus Teachings.

Lowjack

Senior Member
1. On the time of the coming of the Lord:


Paul says:

Rom.13
[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.


Jesus says:

Luke.21
[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,
saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.



2. On the source of the Truth and the true gospel:


Paul says:

1Cor.2
[13] And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.
Gal.1
[12] For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.


Jesus says:

John.17
[14] I have given them thy word;
[17] Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.



3. On the God of the dead:


Paul says:

Rom.14
[9] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.


Jesus says:

Luke.20
[38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living;



4. On the sum of the commandments:


Paul says:

Rom.13
[9] The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.


Jesus says:

Matt.22
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment.
[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.




5. On whom God has mercy:


Paul says:

Rom.9
[15] For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
[16] So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy.
[18] So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills.

Jesus says:

Matt.5
[7] Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.



6. On forgiveness of trespasses:


Paul says:

Eph.1
[7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace
Rom.4
[25] who was put to death for our trespasses and raised for our justification.


Jesus says:

Matt.6
[14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
[15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.



7. On being justified:


Paul says:

Rom.3
[24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
[28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.
Rom.5
[9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.


Jesus says:

Matt.12
[37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.



8. On the cost of eternal life:


Paul says:

Rom.6
[23] For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Jesus says:

Matt.19
[29] And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.
Luke.14
[28] For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?
[33] So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.



9. On what is honorable among men:


Paul says:

2Cor.8
[21] for we aim at what is honorable not only in the Lord's sight but also in the sight of men.
Rom.12
[17] Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all men.
Rom.14
[18] he who thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.
1Cor.10
[33] just as I try to please all men in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.



Jesus says:

Luke.16
[15] But he said to them, You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
Luke.6
[26] Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.



10. On Dying:


Paul says:

I Corinthians 15

31: I protest, brethren, by my pride in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die every day!

Jesus says:

John 11
26: and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die.


11. On the basis of judgment:


Paul says:

Rom.2
[12] All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.



Jesus says:

John.12
[48] He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.




12. On the commandments and eternal life:


Paul says:

Rom.7
[9] I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died;
[10] the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me.

Jesus says:

Matt.19
[17] And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.


13. On your father:


Paul says:

1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Phlm.1
[10] I appeal to you for my child, Ones'imus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.


Jesus says:

Matt.23

[9] And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.



14. On qualifying for eternal life:


Paul says:

Rom.5
[21] so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Jesus says:

John.5
[24] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.



15. On the destiny of the creation (heavens and earth):


Paul says:

Rom.8
[21] because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God.


Jesus says:

Matt.24
[35] Heaven and earth will pass away,


16. On the destiny of the Law and the Prophets:


Paul says:

Rom.10
[4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

Jesus says:

Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.


17. On the number and identity of teachers:


Paul says:

1Cor.12
[28] And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third, teachers,
Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
1Tim.2
[7] For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
2Tim.1
[11] For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher,


Jesus says:

Matt.23
[8] But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren.



18. On the number to be saved:


Paul says:

Rom.11
[25] Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in,
[26] and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob.


Jesus says:

Matt.7
[13] Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
[14] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.


19. On the number and identity of pastors (shepherds):


Paul says:

Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors (shepherds) and teachers,


Jesus says:

John.10
[16] And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd.


20. On the number and identity of leaders:


Paul says:

1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless leaders in Christ . . ..


Jesus says:

Matt.23
[10] Neither be called leaders, for you have one leader, the Christ.


21: On total depravity:


Paul says:

Rom.3

[9] What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all; for I have already charged that all men, both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin,
[10] as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
[22] For there is no distinction;
[23] since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, . . ..


Jesus says:

Matt.12
[35] The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil.
Luke.6
[45] The good man out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure produces evil; for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
Matt.23
[35] that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of Barachi'ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.



22. On unconditional election:


Paul says:

Rom.9
[16] So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy.

Jesus says:

Matt.7
[21] Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
[22] On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' [23] And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.


23. On sacrifices to God:


Paul says:

1Cor.5
[7] For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5
[2] And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


Jesus says:

Matt.9
[13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'


24. On remuneration for preaching the gospel:


Paul says:

1Tim.5
[17] Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching;
[18] for the scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain," and, "The laborer deserves his wages.
1Cor.9
[11] If we have sown spiritual good among you, is it too much if we reap your material benefits?
[12] If others share this rightful claim upon you, do not we still more?


Jesus says:

Matt.10
[7] And preach as you go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
[8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.



25. On how one becomes a child of God:


Paul says:

Rom.8
[23] and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Gal.4
[5] to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.


Jesus says:

John.3
[3] Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is begotten from above,* he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is begotten of the flesh is flesh, and that which is begotten of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Do not marvel that I said to you, `You must be begotten from above.*
 

gemcgrew

Senior Member
1. On the time of the coming of the Lord:


Paul says:

Rom.13
[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.


Jesus says:

Luke.21
[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,
saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.
facepalm: I....See....The....Problem!
 

formula1

Daily Bible Verse Organizer
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#1 Paul's writing in Romans 13 is taken out of context. He's not even discussing end times. I haven't looked at the rest, but I will!

Romans 13
Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. 12 The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.

These two passages don't match. Strike 1!
 

gemcgrew

Senior Member
#1 Paul's writing in Romans 13 is taken out of context. He's not even discussing end times. I haven't looked at the rest, but I will!

Romans 13
Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. 12 The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.

These two passages don't match. Strike 1!
I could not read past #1. My head was about to explode.
 

bigdawg25

Senior Member
Thanks Lowjack for listing the differences between Paul vs Jesus in detail here....I will go through them individually in my free time, and get back on this thread.
 

Ronnie T

Ol' Retired Mod
Thanks Lowjack for listing the differences between Paul vs Jesus in detail here....I will go through them individually in my free time, and get back on this thread.

Lowjack did not list the differences between Paul's and Jesus' teachings! Lowjack posted some random verses that weren't exactly the same. That's all he did.

What Lowjack didn't say is that Luke wrote of things being granted and permitted, that Jesus never said while He was alive.

Lowjack didn't mention that Luke wrote of Jesus appearing to Simon Peter about Cornelius.... and Luke also wrote of Jesus appearing to Paul. Luke gave the details of each.

Dozens, even hundreds of examples are given that show how deliberately the apostles moved ahead with additional teachings from Christ that had not been taught during His life.
 

gordon 2

Senior Member
Even with my simple carnal mind, which screams like a pancreas for sugar, this is what for a little bit of spirit it sees.

Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom and for his works (the cross) and (the gift of the Holy Spirit) and initiating (His church) He set the kingdom into being.

Jesus preached on what would be the rules of the road to obtain entry in that kingdom and how to behave in it.

Paul ministered when the Kingdom had come into its own, yet very new. He peached the cross and elaborated on the rules of the road to get into the kingdom( Jesus) and how to operate in it.

( Paul was a Lover of God and people. He had with exceptional gifts of the intelect...)

While most of humanity is worried about sins of the flesh, Paul knew of sins greater than these. He knew how people could crush love without ever raising a hand, but by simple sins of the intelect. Paul had been a sinner this way and for Christ he was saved of it. (Paul was baptized by a christian most likely from different sin and gifts than Paul had).

For the love afforded in the Kingdom due to our Saviour Paul's gifts came to a beautiful and Holy light... which he acted on and therefore Paul's soap box and teachings.. (his born again life and ministry in the kingdom.)

To use the analogy of an automobile. Jesus invented it and said "Here, drive.." Paul in the back seat said, "Brothers and sisters, I have been called to preach the cross, the Good News, on love, on heaven and the resurection and how to avoid driveing love in the ditch." "Watch out for the sins of the flesh yes, but don't think your too smart. I did until everything fetched up on the road...(to Demascus.)

Now we have the Spirit and scripture. To our minds and our flesh lets build up the Church and use it wisely.
 
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formula1

Daily Bible Verse Organizer
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I could not read past #1. My head was about to explode.

Your right! It is not worth a response, not scholarly at all, and generally a bunch of random scriptures that have no linkage to one another.

Gordons post also touched off a thought in my mind, that we are expanding the Kingdom of God by the revelation of the Spirit of God even today as He works in our experience. Why can't each one of us accept our role in that wonderful task that comes in part from our personal experience and completely believe God in the process! We come so much nearer to the Kingdom and the full revelation of God if we just believe God and His Word, then we go and do His Word!

There are far too many who become cynical and skeptical on here, choosing rather to change God's Word for their view of God rather than say yes and go and do God's word. Believing God's Word as the Holy Spirit has enlighted me has served me well through the years, though I must admit many things said challenged me to grow beyond where I was at the time. Don't trust anyone who stirs up division among bretheren. God has told you He is not the author of confusion!

What am I saying? Believe God and do your best to do what He says. Love Him and Trust Him above all, it is worth it!
 

Ronnie T

Ol' Retired Mod
I add my amen to Gordon and to formula.
Your words are Christian words.
 

Lowjack

Senior Member
Some will drink the koolaid under a tree served by another , some will actually get up and draw the water and add the flavor and the sugar ,The one under the shade will get fat on the koolaid, while the one that worked at it will stay in shape.
 

formula1

Daily Bible Verse Organizer
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And some will get their koolaid, complete with water and sugar from the source and be filled to the fullest.
 

mtnwoman

Senior Member
Y'all gots my head aspinnin', I've had way too much pepsi today...:bounce:
 

StriperAddict

Senior Member
The expressed Paul/Jesus comparison in post 1 will just lead to confusion, IMO. I'm sad for those who'll see this and miss truth and do a "law for righteousness" thing.

I'd almost take a part or two and do a look at principles in grace in the verses, but I fear it'll be to no avail.

The only encouragement I'll pass along is that our Savior is full of mercy and grace, something the apostle Paul made very clear in his letters.

Low, I once gleaned tidings that drew my heart above from posts by you, but few do any longer. I can only speculate your intent.
 

gordon 2

Senior Member
The expressed Paul/Jesus comparison in post 1 will just lead to confusion, IMO. I'm sad for those who'll see this and miss truth and do a "law for righteousness" thing.

I'd almost take a part or two and do a look at principles in grace in the verses, but I fear it'll be to no avail.

The only encouragement I'll pass along is that our Savior is full of mercy and grace, something the apostle Paul made very clear in his letters.

Low, I once gleaned tidings that drew my heart above from posts by you, but few do any longer. I can only speculate your intent.

There is a hole in someone's bucket and in the end this might have something to do with it.

 

centerpin fan

Senior Member
There is a hole in someone's bucket and in the end this might have something to do with it.


Once again, Israel is not the bad guy in the Middle East. That video (a not-so-subtle jab at Israel) is produced by the Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation. In their "Vision Statement", they claim to envision a world where:

"All Palestinian Arab Christians in the Holy Land are free to practice their faith."

... and:

"All Palestinian Arab Christians in the Holy Land have adequate housing and economic opportunities."

It is worthwhile to note that there is no better place in the ME to achieve these goals than in Israel. It's in the Muslim dictatorships that surround Israel where practicing your faith can get you killed and economic opportunities are scarce.
 
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