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HT2
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Hay......
Here's an opinion from a feller that "attended" a private school growing up.........
I think it's a good thing and a bad thing........
Now, maybe things have changed since I went to school......I mean, you know it has been 20+ years.......
The good part:
The environment is much, much better........Teachers seem to care not only for the education of the child, but the overall well being of the child......(I'm not sayin' that all public school teachers aren't good teachers......RELAX!!!!!) From what I experienced the "values" are much better in private schools too.........
The bad part:
IMO........The education standards aren't near as good as they are in Public schools.....Just my opinion now.....I felt that I was taught well, and I had good teachers, but they were very limited to tryin' to really "test" me and get everything out of me that they could......Partly their fault, partly the school's ciriculum..........I also feel that in public schools you have more opportunties for a wider "variety" of subjects and courses that you might be able to take in private schools......
Here's the bottom line.........
There are "both" good and bad of each.........
It's just a decision that you're gonna have to reach with your wife and stick with it....
Good Luck.........
Here's an opinion from a feller that "attended" a private school growing up.........
I think it's a good thing and a bad thing........
Now, maybe things have changed since I went to school......I mean, you know it has been 20+ years.......
The good part:
The environment is much, much better........Teachers seem to care not only for the education of the child, but the overall well being of the child......(I'm not sayin' that all public school teachers aren't good teachers......RELAX!!!!!) From what I experienced the "values" are much better in private schools too.........
The bad part:
IMO........The education standards aren't near as good as they are in Public schools.....Just my opinion now.....I felt that I was taught well, and I had good teachers, but they were very limited to tryin' to really "test" me and get everything out of me that they could......Partly their fault, partly the school's ciriculum..........I also feel that in public schools you have more opportunties for a wider "variety" of subjects and courses that you might be able to take in private schools......
Here's the bottom line.........
There are "both" good and bad of each.........
It's just a decision that you're gonna have to reach with your wife and stick with it....
Good Luck.........
HT2 said:
Well that may be true with some private schools but not all of them. My daughter's school is a college preparatory school and the academics standards are far from what they are in public schools. My daughter is learning algebra now in the seventh grade, I didn't take algebra until the ninth grade in public school. Her school demands that you to excell in academics, if you don't, you don't get a contract to return next year.
sgsjr
Banned
I have used the highest dollar private, the most christian of private and good public schools, I like public the best.
Private can have smaller classes and pushed curriculum but still have the same problem kids as public. Also, the teachers are sometime in family clichs and if they are bad, they aint going nowhere. Also, private schools will dollar you to death with increased fees and fund raising. The governing bodies of private schools are usually made up of certain powers that be and your voice means nothing.
Public schools usually have much better trained and qualified teachers. There is no doubt that good public districts have much better High schools than private, they have the funds to gather up lots of specific specialist to teach. If you stay involved, and the poverty rate of the district is not to high, public is the way to go.
I think the right way to go is keep religion in the home and in church on Sunday and lets concentrate on academics at school.
Private can have smaller classes and pushed curriculum but still have the same problem kids as public. Also, the teachers are sometime in family clichs and if they are bad, they aint going nowhere. Also, private schools will dollar you to death with increased fees and fund raising. The governing bodies of private schools are usually made up of certain powers that be and your voice means nothing.
Public schools usually have much better trained and qualified teachers. There is no doubt that good public districts have much better High schools than private, they have the funds to gather up lots of specific specialist to teach. If you stay involved, and the poverty rate of the district is not to high, public is the way to go.
I think the right way to go is keep religion in the home and in church on Sunday and lets concentrate on academics at school.
Jasper
Senior Member
There would be no doubt in my mind- a good private school that you have researched.
I could write a lengthy article on why private is better than public IMO, but I'll shorten it to three reasons. This is based on private schools my kids have gone to as well as experiences of friends and family.
No zero tolerance policies in private school- they actually use common sense.
No teachers unions- IMO teachers unions are one of the worst problems with public (government) schools
Better qualified teachers- Now this is on average and I'm not broad brushing and saying ALL of them (so if you're a government school teacher, keep that in mind before you reply)
This is one of the most important decisions you'll ever make and I applaud you for taking it so seriously. Regardless of which school they go to, spend LOTS of time with them at home and stay VERY involved in their education. I do and it has paid off tremendously.
Best of luck!
I could write a lengthy article on why private is better than public IMO, but I'll shorten it to three reasons. This is based on private schools my kids have gone to as well as experiences of friends and family.
No zero tolerance policies in private school- they actually use common sense.
No teachers unions- IMO teachers unions are one of the worst problems with public (government) schools
Better qualified teachers- Now this is on average and I'm not broad brushing and saying ALL of them (so if you're a government school teacher, keep that in mind before you reply)
This is one of the most important decisions you'll ever make and I applaud you for taking it so seriously. Regardless of which school they go to, spend LOTS of time with them at home and stay VERY involved in their education. I do and it has paid off tremendously.
Best of luck!
sgsjr
Banned
Jasper said:
Better qualified teacher in private????? I dont think so, most are not certified or even tested in their fields. They are more times than not, payed far less than public school teachers and private high school usually have far less specialist if their fields. Money talks!!!!!!
Jasper
Senior Member
sgsjr said:
I'll stand by my statement. If you don't do your job in a private school as a teacher, you're fired. Do the same in a government school and here comes the teacher unions in many cases to save you.
Certification doesn't always mean much. Here's a quote from a Harvard study and I've seen it in other studies as well.
"Once in college (or graduate school) many young people enroll in teacher education programs that have notoriously low standards and expectations. It is no secret that, at many universities, an education major produces one of the easiest degrees. Unfortunately, that means schools of education attract some applicants who are among the least academically accomplished in their classes."
MCG DAWG
Banned
Had this very discussion the other night . .
. . with my wife and three other couples. We were all a mix of public/private school graduates. I tried to stay out of it but it got rather heated. I then pointed out that there were three public school graduates in the room and five private school graduates.
The three public school grads were a surgeon, an anesthesiologist, and a family medicine doctor. None of the private school grads had any advanced degrees. That pretty much concluded my argument.
We lowly public school grads all had one similarity, parents who assured that we were doing well in school and closely monitored our academic progress.
The education is there to be had in a public school and if parents will take an active role in their childs education then a public school can and will provide just as good an education as a private school.
. . with my wife and three other couples. We were all a mix of public/private school graduates. I tried to stay out of it but it got rather heated. I then pointed out that there were three public school graduates in the room and five private school graduates.
The three public school grads were a surgeon, an anesthesiologist, and a family medicine doctor. None of the private school grads had any advanced degrees. That pretty much concluded my argument.
We lowly public school grads all had one similarity, parents who assured that we were doing well in school and closely monitored our academic progress.
The education is there to be had in a public school and if parents will take an active role in their childs education then a public school can and will provide just as good an education as a private school.
jeeptastic
Gone but not forgotten
Teaching certificate
If you think that is true, then you should go to a bookstore and find a Praxis preparation book and look at some of the problems. You cannot get a teaching certificate nowadays without passing that test (in GA). Believe me, if you don't know it, you won't pass it. They may get the degree but getting the teaching certificate is totally different.
Jasper said:
If you think that is true, then you should go to a bookstore and find a Praxis preparation book and look at some of the problems. You cannot get a teaching certificate nowadays without passing that test (in GA). Believe me, if you don't know it, you won't pass it. They may get the degree but getting the teaching certificate is totally different.
Buzz
Senior Member
MCG DAWG said:
It is hard to make any conclusive argument a small of a group of people as the one you describe. Sure there are many people that graduate from a public school who go on to have very successful specialized careers. There are plenty more that do not.
I guess the question is would the same kid with the same parental guidance be better off at a public or private school? Honestly, I do not know but I went to a very good public school and I was quite unprepared for Georgia Tech.
Quite a few of my wife's family members and extended family are millionaires or multimillionaires and several of them didn't even graduate from high school. I sure am not going to conclude from that sampling of people my kids would be better off not even finishing high school.
GeauxLSU
Senior Member
Guys,
If your talking strictly talking about the quality of education, it's like anything, you get out of it what you put into it. I went to both public and private. Public school through 7th grade, private through freshman year in college, public through undergrad graduation.
Public had much nicer facilities, private had a more serious student body and 'generally speaking' a more challenging curriculum (but that is obviously very different by school). Bottom line is, I got the education I TOOK, not the one somebody gave me.
Now, if you are concerned about environment as well, then just visit prospective schools and talk with the administration about discipline policies and current and past problems. Then just cross your fingers and pray!
Hunt/fish safely,
Phil
If your talking strictly talking about the quality of education, it's like anything, you get out of it what you put into it. I went to both public and private. Public school through 7th grade, private through freshman year in college, public through undergrad graduation.
Public had much nicer facilities, private had a more serious student body and 'generally speaking' a more challenging curriculum (but that is obviously very different by school). Bottom line is, I got the education I TOOK, not the one somebody gave me.
Now, if you are concerned about environment as well, then just visit prospective schools and talk with the administration about discipline policies and current and past problems. Then just cross your fingers and pray!
Hunt/fish safely,
Phil
MCG DAWG
Banned
7x57, I just used that example .. .
. . . to show that you don't have to go to private school in order to obtain a quality education that would allow you to be a success in life. I think someone made a good point in that you get what you "take" from an educational opportunity.
I also question what value you get for your investment in a private education. Here in Chattanooga TN there are three large, old, famous private middle/high schools. Their tuition is $15,000 a year for day students and much more for boarders. I often wonder if the parents of graduates of these schools feel they get a good return on such a large investment. I'd argue with anyone that the public school education I got was easily comparable to that the private school kids got for that unbelievable amount of money.
If the kid goes there from 6-12th grade then the parents spent $90,000 on their education. What if that money was put in a trust fund the kid couldn't get until they were 50. If invested in the market at an estimated 7% annual return then they'd get a "gift" of over a million dollars at that time. Would that be a better "value" for that money? I honestly don't know the answer but I know I'm not going to spend that much on my kid to get roughly the same education I'll ensure they get in public school.
. . . to show that you don't have to go to private school in order to obtain a quality education that would allow you to be a success in life. I think someone made a good point in that you get what you "take" from an educational opportunity.
I also question what value you get for your investment in a private education. Here in Chattanooga TN there are three large, old, famous private middle/high schools. Their tuition is $15,000 a year for day students and much more for boarders. I often wonder if the parents of graduates of these schools feel they get a good return on such a large investment. I'd argue with anyone that the public school education I got was easily comparable to that the private school kids got for that unbelievable amount of money.
If the kid goes there from 6-12th grade then the parents spent $90,000 on their education. What if that money was put in a trust fund the kid couldn't get until they were 50. If invested in the market at an estimated 7% annual return then they'd get a "gift" of over a million dollars at that time. Would that be a better "value" for that money? I honestly don't know the answer but I know I'm not going to spend that much on my kid to get roughly the same education I'll ensure they get in public school.
teethdoc
Senior Member
One thing to keep in mind is that public schools usually have more strict guidelines on who is qualified to be a teacher. (This may have been said, but I was too lazy to read all 3 pages )
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GeauxLSU
Senior Member
There's always one holding the others back....
Hunt/fish safely,
Phil
You were a problem student weren't ya'?teethdoc said:This may have been said, but I was too lazy to read all 3 pages
Hunt/fish safely,
Phil
sgsjr
Banned
I have been involved in all and a good public is the way to go. Stay involved and the whole community will benifit.
As for private school teachers, a lot hold their job by who they or their family knows on the elusive "board" not by how well they do their job.
So go ahead, waste your money on private, It wont guarentee you any success.
As for private school teachers, a lot hold their job by who they or their family knows on the elusive "board" not by how well they do their job.
So go ahead, waste your money on private, It wont guarentee you any success.
sgsjr said:
Nothing in life is guaranteed. I still like knowing that my daughter can still attend a class that only has 19 other students. Where they wear uniforms so nobody feels left out if his folks can't afford the nicer clothes. Where she don't have to sit by John with all of his body piercings and tatoos and his pants hanging half way down the crack of his rear end. Where they pray and let it be known that they will continue to do so. Yes, I think I'll continue to waste my money and take the chances !!!! I'll bet you my paycheck that our private school puts as many kids in college than our local public school and our school is less than half the size.
red tail
GONetwork Member
private or public
I would say it depends on the schools in the area. I am not a parent but I did go through public school. I learned alot about life and how to deal with different types of people but not so much on religion. The thing about public school I did not like was we studdied islam, budist, and jewish beliefs but christians where out of the question. with all the crap about keeping religion out of schools they should applie it to all religion if there going to applie it to mine. I had a good christian rolemodle growing up the some of you might kwow and with his suport I had the christian influence I did not recieve in school.
I would say it depends on the schools in the area. I am not a parent but I did go through public school. I learned alot about life and how to deal with different types of people but not so much on religion. The thing about public school I did not like was we studdied islam, budist, and jewish beliefs but christians where out of the question. with all the crap about keeping religion out of schools they should applie it to all religion if there going to applie it to mine. I had a good christian rolemodle growing up the some of you might kwow and with his suport I had the christian influence I did not recieve in school.
sgsjr
Banned
There are only two real reason private schools exhist:
To maintain as close as possible segregated schools.
To continue the imposing religion through the schools.
To maintain as close as possible segregated schools.
To continue the imposing religion through the schools.
I don't know a whole lot about current private schools. I went to a Catholic middle school, so did my brothers and sisters - but that was a long time ago.
I do know a little bit about homeschooling versus public schools. My oldest son was homeschooled through his entire school career, and is now going to a 2 year public college. Once he gets 45 credits, he plans on transferring to a state college. The transition from homeschooling to a public college has been very easy on him.
My middle son was homeschooled through 5th grade, then I popped him into a public middle school. I have nothing but good things to say about Lost Mountain Middle School and their staff. They were great! Transferring into high school has brought up some problems, though.
My youngest son has never been homeschooled. I popped him into Due West Elementary in Kindergarten. He's in 3rd grade now. That is a very good school as well.
I plan on taking my middle son out of highschool and homeschooling him the next 3 years. This is the first time in his young life I have ever known him to lose his self-confidence and enthusiasm. He loves JROTC, and that is the one thing he will not be able to get while homeschooled - I need to find an alternative for him. Other than that, I know him well enough to know that he will do better outside of public highschool. Having just gone through homeschooled highschool with my oldest son, I have a pretty good idea about what we need to do (but am not looking forward to that time commitment again - ouch!!!).
It will be tough trying to keep the little guy in public school while letting my middle son homeschool - but the highschool kid needs his self-confidence back.
I do know a little bit about homeschooling versus public schools. My oldest son was homeschooled through his entire school career, and is now going to a 2 year public college. Once he gets 45 credits, he plans on transferring to a state college. The transition from homeschooling to a public college has been very easy on him.
My middle son was homeschooled through 5th grade, then I popped him into a public middle school. I have nothing but good things to say about Lost Mountain Middle School and their staff. They were great! Transferring into high school has brought up some problems, though.
My youngest son has never been homeschooled. I popped him into Due West Elementary in Kindergarten. He's in 3rd grade now. That is a very good school as well.
I plan on taking my middle son out of highschool and homeschooling him the next 3 years. This is the first time in his young life I have ever known him to lose his self-confidence and enthusiasm. He loves JROTC, and that is the one thing he will not be able to get while homeschooled - I need to find an alternative for him. Other than that, I know him well enough to know that he will do better outside of public highschool. Having just gone through homeschooled highschool with my oldest son, I have a pretty good idea about what we need to do (but am not looking forward to that time commitment again - ouch!!!).
It will be tough trying to keep the little guy in public school while letting my middle son homeschool - but the highschool kid needs his self-confidence back.
Jasper
Senior Member
sgsjr said:
I won't waste my time replying to that one.
