Dr. Assisted Suicide

[WaltL1]

I’ve found the evidence that I needed to be certain that God exist.

As for all of those others that you’ve named, to be honest, I’ve never even asked anyone that does believe in any of them to prove it with evidence and I’ve not even spent 30 seconds consuming any of my time researching and looking for any evidence of their existence. Sort of doesn’t bother or affect me if they do or don’t exist.

I’ve just simply said that I don’t believe that they're real, never really needed assurance of that and I feel pretty secure with it.

But then again, people of all walks of life, including believers and non believers seem to agree that they don’t and sort of just pass it off as “folk tales”.

But when it comes to God, seems there’s a certain group that consume their time digging and trying to prove and convince that God doesn’t exist, almost makes it look like they’re insecure with their disbelief and they just need someone to tell them the answer.

As for all of those others that you’ve named, to be honest, I’ve never even asked anyone that does believe in any of them to prove it with evidence and I’ve not even spent 30 seconds consuming any of my time researching and looking for any evidence of their existence. Sort of doesn’t bother or affect me if they do or don’t exist.

I’ve just simply said that I don’t believe that they're real, never really needed assurance of that and I feel pretty secure with it.

In this day and age we describe that as "ignorance is bliss"
ignorance is bliss
[ignorance is bliss]
DEFINITION
if you do not know about something, you do not worry about it.

 

[WaltL1]

Given the fact that all religions make exclusive truth claims, including Athiesm, this is not the most sound rational statement one could make. (I realize Athiest don’t consider their belief a ‘religion’ per se, but it IS a belief system with its own set of implications, and that is the defining context into which the term is used above. Could just as easily used the broader term ‘world views’ )

Spotlight, do yourself a favor and spend 4 minutes watching the first video on this page. I promise you, you will be glad you did.

https://rzim.org/ask-intro/

I realize Athiest don’t consider their belief a ‘religion’ per se, but it IS a belief system with its own set of implications, and that is the defining context into which the term is used above.

So name the "implications".
I'm betting what you name is what Christianity says the implications are not what is actually a fact.

 

[SemperFiDawg]

So name the "implications".
I'm betting what you name is what Christianity says the implications are not what is actually a fact.

Aaaaaaaand the bristles go up. No need Walt. All I meant by that is that when one posits "No God" it simply means there are logical outworkings from that position. Questions, if you will, that you must provide answers for. Such as What is the meaning of life (if there is one)? Where do we get the notion of justice and morality?, Where do we go after we die (if anywhere)? Where does the appetite for worship come from? Does human life have value, and from where does it come from? etc.

Is that not fact? You tell me.

 

[atlashunter]

You don’t decide self defense, you’re forced into that.

But I guess I get where you’re coming from, just labeling taking a life as murder is painting with a broad brush. Intent will be a factor. Wrong intent will have legal ramifications.

I get what you’re saying in a legal sense. What I don’t get is how that applies to someone “deciding” that they need legal assistance with something that they have every right to do already without any legal ramifications.

There shouldn’t be any legal ramifications for assisting someone in carrying out a legal action, especially when the intent is not malicious and reduces suffering. A doctor provides the means but the act itself is still carried out by the patient. The key here is who is making the decision and is it what they really want?

 

[Israel]

In this day and age we describe that as "ignorance is bliss"
ignorance is bliss
[ignorance is bliss]
DEFINITION
if you do not know about something, you do not worry about it.

if you do not know about something, you do not worry about it

Is that true? It appears worthy to examine.

 

[atlashunter]

Aaaaaaaand the bristles go up. No need Walt. All I meant by that is that when one posits "No God" it simply means there are logical outworkings from that position. Questions, if you will, that you must provide answers for. Such as What is the meaning of life (if there is one)? Where do we get the notion of justice and morality?, Where do we go after we die (if anywhere)? Where does the appetite for worship come from? Does human life have value, and from where does it come from? etc.

Is that not fact? You tell me.

It’s because atheism is not a belief system that those questions are opened up.

 

[SemperFiDawg]

It’s because atheism is not a belief system that those questions are opened up.

Whatever.

 

[atlashunter]

Whatever.

You already have the answers to those questions don’t you? All contained in a book that tells you all you need to know about life. That’s a belief system. We don’t have that.

 

[SemperFiDawg]

You already have the answers to those questions don’t you? All contained in a book that tells you all you need to know about life. That’s a belief system. We don’t have that.

Yet you still have answers to those questions WHICH YOU BELIEVE ARE CORRECT. That was my point. If you believe it it’s a belief system, and it too has implications. I can’t believe something so basic you don’t grasp.

Beliefs form values. Values guide actions. That’s basic truth that transcends whatever one’s beliefs are. Yet you are adamant it doesn’t hold true for Athiest, because “Atheism isn’t a ‘belief system’.” Like I said, whatever. Too silly
to attempt a discussion with.

 

[WaltL1]

Aaaaaaaand the bristles go up. No need Walt. All I meant by that is that when one posits "No God" it simply means there are logical outworkings from that position. Questions, if you will, that you must provide answers for. Such as What is the meaning of life (if there is one)? Where do we get the notion of justice and morality?, Where do we go after we die (if anywhere)? Where does the appetite for worship come from? Does human life have value, and from where does it come from? etc.

Is that not fact? You tell me.

First - no bristles. Was a simple question.

that you must provide answers for.

I don't feel the need to provide myself with answers to every question just so I can avoid saying "I don't know".
There are many questions that we don't have the answer to. Unless you make one up that you feel comfortable with.

Such as What is the meaning of life (if there is one)

Whatever meaning we give it.

Where do we get the notion of justice and morality?

From us.

Where do we go after we die (if anywhere)?

I don't know.
All I know is I will be going in a big toaster, then into a little container and then my ashes will get scattered at a place I have chosen that is special to me.
If anything happens after that, I/we/man doesn't know.

Where does the appetite for worship come from?

Good question. I could give answers but they admittedly lead to more questions.
So again I/we/man doesn't know for sure.

Does human life have value,

Depends on who you ask and who's life you are asking about. I would guess that no matter what a rotten person you may be, you probably have done something at some time that someone would find value in.

from where does it come from?

It comes from us. We decide what is valuable and what is not.

 

[atlashunter]

Yet you still have answers to those questions WHICH YOU BELIEVE ARE CORRECT. That was my point. If you believe it it’s a belief system, and it too has implications. I can’t believe something so basic you don’t grasp.

Beliefs form values. Values guide actions. That’s basic truth that transcends whatever one’s beliefs are. Yet you are adamant it doesn’t hold true for Athiest, because “Atheism isn’t a ‘belief system’.” Like I said, whatever. Too silly
to attempt a discussion with.

You said atheism is a belief system. It’s not. It doesn’t provide answers to any of those questions. It’s a blank slate and leaves the floor open for atheists to pursue answers. A belief system provides answers. Here’s a book and here are all the answers. Just read it and believe it. We don’t have that. We have to think for ourselves.

 

[atlashunter]

I don't know.
All I know is I will be going in a big toaster, then into a little container and then my ashes will get scattered at a place I have chosen that is special to me.
If anything happens after that, I/we/man doesn't know.

I think it takes some of the mystery away if we ask the same question from a slightly different perspective.

Where do we go after we live?

 

[WaltL1]

You said atheism is a belief system. It’s not. It doesn’t provide answers to any of those questions. It’s a blank slate and leaves the floor open for atheists to pursue answers. A belief system provides answers. Here’s a book and here are all the answers. Just read it and believe it. We don’t have that. We have to think for ourselves.

Just an observation over the years -
Christians HAVE to make Atheism a belief system. Its the only way they can compare the two. The only way they can work it out is "Atheism tells you this and Christianity tells us this".
If Atheism doesn't "tell you" anything then the whole thing falls apart..... so they have to insist that it does.

 

[Israel]

You said atheism is a belief system. It’s not. It doesn’t provide answers to any of those questions. It’s a blank slate and leaves the floor open for atheists to pursue answers. A belief system provides answers. Here’s a book and here are all the answers. Just read it and believe it. We don’t have that. We have to think for ourselves.

It’s a blank slate and leaves the floor open for atheists to pursue answers.

To what?

 

[bullethead]

To what?

To the claims of others and the questions we ask ourselves regarding past beliefs and current thoughts.
Things many people refuse to ask themselves as believers.

 

[Israel]

To the claims of others and the questions we ask ourselves regarding past beliefs and current thoughts.
Things many people refuse to ask themselves as believers.

That's interesting.

Is there purpose to the asking? If you find answer, is there any consistency?

(And I am going to assume you have only ability to answer for yourself...but...is that wrong?)

 

[bullethead]

That's interesting.

Is there purpose to the asking? If you find answer, is there any consistency?

(And I am going to assume you have only ability to answer for yourself...but...is that wrong?)

"And ’tis of little consequence,"

Ignorantly frustrating when all you ask is for an honest and to the point answer, isn't it?

 

[Israel]

Just an observation over the years -
Christians HAVE to make Atheism a belief system. Its the only way they can compare the two. The only way they can work it out is "Atheism tells you this and Christianity tells us this".
If Atheism doesn't "tell you" anything then the whole thing falls apart..... so they have to insist that it does.

That's also interesting.

Because I do not find myself a subscriber to a "belief system" (really, I don't begin to know what that would mean) I feel no compulsion to approach any according to "it". Mine, or theirs. "Ours" or his, hers, its...etc...



Being aware that this presents certain matters of which I am not unaware, (I have known being escorted from certain meetings, I suppose you'd call them "religious" ones, for simply not sitting when told "it's not OK to stand...when it's time to sit") does not immunize me to also certain accusations. But if a man cannot bear accusation personally (even most personally) I cannot help but wonder which of the many Jesus' preached, it is to which he finds affinity.

The matter of systems is far more than just intricate for they are all equally co-dependent. Position x opposition yields nothing, for in systems each declares a supremacy of origin but denies the most manifest and obvious tenet in all...that position and opposition are regularly changed and exchanged in that co-dependency. Thus Android needs Apple, and vice versa, even (and specifically to) establish supremacy.

I look for (better said, "I have been won to") the supreme needing no such support by "opposition". And I find it always, and only, in the manifestation of the perfect dependency. The One moved by that supremacy unsupported by else, not merely moving "past" opposition, but in that supported moving declares there is nothing of opposition in which "else" might even testify it is needed for support of the supreme.

The supreme is not, cannot be what requires...support. And all that exists in the being of itself that is only possessed through knowledge of opposition or even through its own supposed agreement to the supreme must yield...to the perfect of dependency, or be not...even to itself.

It's a far too terrible thing for a being to find its being...unsecured. Completely unsafe...to itself. But this is what must happen to being that only knows itself by opposition.

 

[SemperFiDawg]

First - no bristles. Was a simple question.

I don't feel the need to provide myself with answers to every question just so I can avoid saying "I don't know".
There are many questions that we don't have the answer to. Unless you make one up that you feel comfortable with.

Whatever meaning we give it.

From us.

I don't know.
All I know is I will be going in a big toaster, then into a little container and then my ashes will get scattered at a place I have chosen that is special to me.
If anything happens after that, I/we/man doesn't know.

Good question. I could give answers but they admittedly lead to more questions.
So again I/we/man doesn't know for sure.

Depends on who you ask and who's life you are asking about. I would guess that no matter what a rotten person you may be, you probably have done something at some time that someone would find value in.

It comes from us. We decide what is valuable and what is not.

Agreed. 100%. Again, my point. Everyone has answers or “I don’t knows” to all of the big questions in life. Just don’t tell me it’s not a belief system, if you use it to guide your values because you believe it’s the best answer just because “Athiesm is not a belief system.” It is. It’s just not as rigid as some “ accepted” religions as far as orthodoxy and rigid doctrines. I swear, some times you Athiest are as nuts about being as Anti Religious as some believers are about being dogmatic, legalistic religious. They both throw out the baby with the bath water, because they can’t think past orthodoxy.

 

[SemperFiDawg]

"And ’tis of little consequence,"

Ignorantly frustrating when all you ask is for an honest and to the point answer, isn't it?

Why do you even bother? If his posts are more than 2 sentences I just ignore them.