I can say that I was a skeptic when it came to turkey hunting with a turkey choke. Before I just used a full and high brass Winchester number 6's and got a good pattern out to 30 steps. My buddy convinced me to get a turkey choke for my Maverick and I got a blackout .660 and Winchester Xr's number 5's through it and blew the paper off the board at 25 yards exact. Shoots low with that choke and shell so I ordered a saddle mount for it and I am going to put a red dot on there to bring it up. Honestly it doesn't need it but I am desperate to be active doing something since I cant hunt. None the less I am a firm believer now if you have the money get a turkey choke, the blackout was 40 dollars and I am very impressed. I patterned it at 40 yards it was devastating in comparison to what I was used too. I will shoot it this weekend with the red dot and I will post pictures.