Byrna Self defense Weapons

[Toliver]

There are still plenty of people using meth, bath salts, cocaine, ketamine, and pcp. When they are seriously drugged up they feel no pain and their bodies are running on pure adrenaline. They're dead and their body doesn't know it yet. Catastrophic shot to the brain (brain stem or extensive damage) is the only instant off switch for those cases. I've seen plenty of people shot in the head and survive. Too many variables and circumstances to type. It could be a multi-hour conversation. Just suffice it to say a drug crazed person is a nightmare to deal with as they can keep going through things you would never dream a human can survive. And yes, I'm speaking from multiple experiences.

 

[WOODIE13]

Seen them go through OC spray like nothing many times without stopping them, way worse (to me) than CS or tear gas.

 

[Toliver]

Do i have to put a smiley face emoji next to every joke i tell?

The opioid comment was obviously a joke but it would have been better had you said heroin specifically. Only drug I've ever seen that puts people on the nod. It never got old watching people fall asleep mid sentence or action and then wake up and continue as if there had never been a pause. They try to rob you, just wait until they fall asleep and walk away.. lol

 

[livinoutdoors]

The opioid comment was obviously a joke but it would have been better had you said heroin specifically. Only drug I've ever seen that puts people on the nod. It never got old watching people fall asleep mid sentence or action and then wake up and continue as if there had never been a pause. They try to rob you, just wait until they fall asleep and walk away.. lol

Yeah i guess what i meant was thats better than what folks used to get all hopped up on anyway. No doubt meth gets folks crazy. Much better if they just fall asleep.

 

[bullgator]

A lot of people will be hesitant to actually pull the trigger on a real firearm. That may result in their injuries or death. If they are less hesitant to use this, I’m all for it.

 

[oldfella1962]

Thanks for sharing could be a good option for some. Especially if they have to travel to states that dont allow carry.

Sadly, the states that don't allow carry are also the states that punish crime victims for defending themselves.

 

[oldfella1962]

There are still plenty of people using meth, bath salts, cocaine, ketamine, and pcp. When they are seriously drugged up they feel no pain and their bodies are running on pure adrenaline. They're dead and their body doesn't know it yet. Catastrophic shot to the brain (brain stem or extensive damage) is the only instant off switch for those cases. I've seen plenty of people shot in the head and survive. Too many variables and circumstances to type. It could be a multi-hour conversation. Just suffice it to say a drug crazed person is a nightmare to deal with as they can keep going through things you would never dream a human can survive. And yes, I'm speaking from multiple experiences.

My stepbrother was shot in the head (among other places) with a 9 mil when shooting it out with the cops in the 1990's. He survived with no obvious mental or physical impairments, but who knows what may surface later in life for him. Whenever I hear about innocent children getting shot but surviving, I wonder about what type of long-term damage they may face in the future.

 

[Toliver]

Sadly, the states that don't allow carry are also the states that punish crime victims for defending themselves.

Not to mention the highest rate of gun violence therefore creating a higher likelihood of having to defend yourself.

 

[ryanh487]

If you're not going to leave any retaliators, you're gonna have a lot of killing to do. The whole family gonna be mad including the play cousins.

They may not know you at first, but they're gonna know you as soon as that police report is finished and publicly available.

Killing a person is not to be taken lightly and if someone feels like they can escape after deploying less than lethal defense munitions then that's what they should do. You can be 100% justified in the killing and still be trapped in a living nightmare in the aftermath.

I'm not arguing for or against either side... just making points of discussion.

That's what the 30 round mags are for

 

[oldfella1962]

Not to mention the highest rate of gun violence therefore creating a higher likelihood of having to defend yourself.

Weird how that's all interconnected, isn't it? Gun control advocates have never really noticed that pattern yet - I'm guessing they never will figure it out.

 

[GeorgiaBob]

About two decades ago I was shot, three times, with a marble sized pepper spray pellet. Those things sting! Those, one a time, shots were part of a demonstration that I volunteered to be a part of. The local Police Chief, a member of the same Rotary Club I was in, was demonstrating the "less lethal" weapons that his department had purchased with a fed grant.

The reason it took three shots was I didn't react to the pepper in the little balls. The Chief was befuddled. We all chuckled. I wasn't hurt worse that three tiny stings.

Turns out, I DO react to pepper spray, and that is not something I will ever volunteer to receive again! I didn't react at first because the quilted vest they gave me to reduce the impact also happened to absorb and redirect the aerosolized pepper juice. It didn't affect me until I pulled the vest over my head when taking it off. OMG!!!! The eyewash, vinegar, and other stuff they used on me was very, very slow to help me.

I learned two things. Pepper spray hurts and can temporarily disable me. But I also learned that shooting someone with a pepper ball MIGHT NOT disable, dissuade, or even distract someone quickly. I will never again volunteer to be on the receiving end of pepper spray. But more important, I will never depend upon an oversized ball from a pellet gun to protect myself or my family from a potentially deadly threat.

 

[Toliver]

The bottom line is there is not in existence a platform that will be right for every situation and every person using it. Every person has to make a decision on what, if anything, they want to carry based on what they hope to get out of it, their own personal level of fitness, training and capabilities, the laws where they live, how bad or good of an area they live, their skills at deploying any platform, their willingness to train to become proficient with it and their willingness to deploy quickly and decisively to make it as effective as possible. Those of us with real experience with this stuff can talk about it and make suggestions but at the end of the day people will carry what they're comfortable with and hope it works when they need it.