Artfuldodger
Senior Member
I 've seen a few discussions on this recently. I know it's related to dying under Old or New testament, but regardless the thief was covered by the blood of Jesus.
Until the work was accomplished……when Jesus said it is finished………I think the thief would have fallen into the old covenant and would have needed to take a sacrificial offering to a high priest.
Yes. It would mattered.
I believe He knew.Do you think that Jesus just knew the order of events that would transpire that day when he said it? What I mean is, obviously if He said “today”, not “if”.
Romans 4:1-5Until the work was accomplished……when Jesus said it is finished………I think the thief would have fallen into the old covenant and would have needed to take a sacrificial offering to a high priest.
Yes. It would mattered.
I like how you think. I will side with you. We too often assume that the salvific relationship Jews have and had with God is solely legal, principally because we see atonement as a legal fact, but atonement is due covenant which provides with at-one-ment in relationship God and man and to both covenants.Romans 9:15
For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
I understand that verse as it pertains to Old Testament and the New Testament. And Romans 4:1-5 as Tell Sackett mentioned.
Since that seems to refer for both the Old & New, did anything really change as far as how one received salvation?
What I'm getting at is they all believed and thus it was credited as righteousness.
The point being I guess we don't all see it that way and why I was seeing discussions on it.
Is scripture true - there is no remission of sins without shedding of blood?Romans 4:1-5
But it has to be the blood of Christ right? I think animal blood was more of a "type." Christ was slain from the foundation of the world.Is scripture true - there is no remission of sins without shedding of blood?
What are those works? If you believe in God you’ll also do the works. The old sacrificed. How were their sins set aside?
Wouldn’t just a belief in God and doing works make the shedding of Jesus’s blood a needless thing?
The work of Jesus was not done until He said it is finished.
That’s why organized religion can’t speak or represent God.The Lord does as he wills and his timing is often times not of our understanding. The creator of the universe can do all things so if he decided to give forgiveness while he walked amongst them that would be up to him.
Yeah, I don't think God has to conform to the rules and ways he sets forth for man, nature, or creation.That’s why organized religion can’t speak or represent God.
All true until you find out that the Holy Spirit himself shows up in organized religion to minister to you personally and you've quit the body.That’s why organized religion can’t speak or represent God.
From what I understand, yes. But, there was the acceptance of animal blood to push sins aside but there there was never any atonement for certain serious sins.But it has to be the blood of Christ right? I think animal blood was more of a "type." Christ was slain from the foundation of the world.
If not and animal blood would do the trick then Christ could have stayed in Heaven.
I believe the Lord uses who he wills and his plan can go through anyone he chooses and it is not for us to say. He can save who he wants when he wants and he can put anyone he wishes through trials. His judgement is perfect.That’s why organized religion can’t speak or represent God.