The whole spirit concept sort of freaks me out, Jesus becoming one with the Father, us becoming one with Christ. I honestly don't see it. No where. No where have I ever witnessed a true Christ like life. I have seen equal good come from secular people. I have seen equal good done by secular organizations. I have never seen a paralyzed man get up and walk.I have never seen anything that resembles a higher power living in us. That's hard for me to admit, because I have believed it so..... because it was written. But truly Paul believed it so. And taught it. Context is that man had no power to change his nature proved by 1000's of years of trying. So God made a new covenant that his spirit dwell in us giving us overcoming power..... and being an eternal spirit, thus we shall die only a physical death. But sadly, I don't see it. Every church I ever been in did not display it. Speaking in tounges is a mere joke. No one has the gift of miracles, no one has the gift of "true" love. One might say that just because you have not experienced it does not mean it's not so. True, but I have seen it NO where. And if anyone says they have experienced it, then I would point them to secular people whom have had "experiences" as well. The only difference in me and another is that I am brave enough to admit it. For someone whom will say, "i was delivered from drugs"...... hmmmm, just as many secular can say the same. If I really look to the scriptures, I should see REAL miracles, in my day. I should see churches with power, not membership. If you ask anything in my name, I will do it..... Hmmmm, at this point, I have to consider that Jesus did not say thisThe other thing is that some people believe the the Holy Spirit is Jesus. Thus the term Holy Ghost. Starting with whose spirit was resurrected. Jesus said he would send another Comforter. Jesus in body being the first Comforter and his spirit to return being the "another."
Jesus being a man may have his own spirit. I guess that spirit went an preached before his resurrection. Although Jesus said God would send the Spirit. Jesus also talked about himself in third party such as you should believe in the Son, etc.
1 Corinthians 15:45
Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
(Jesus "became?")
The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit.
(Maybe a better translation.)
2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
(is this the Spirit of God or Jesus Paul is referring to?)
Then we've got in Acts to be baptized in the name of Jesus to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Thoughts? It gets really confusing to me if Jesus had two spirits, one being God and the other his man spirit. Unless it's the same unity we have. Our two spirits, one our man spirit and the other God's Spirit.
So I would assume if one believed the Holy Spirit was that of Jesus, it would have to be his human spirit and not God's Spirit.
We need to factor in the beliefs of the writers at the time period they wrote it to understand what it is that they intended to say. Otherwise, we would be putting words in their mouth. I don't think early church fathers nor NT writers ever believed in Body, spirit and soul. Body and Spirit, yes, the soul and spirit being used interchangeable, not separate.
The whole spirit concept sort of freaks me out, Jesus becoming one with the Father, us becoming one with Christ. I honestly don't see it. No where. No where have I ever witnessed a true Christ like life. I have seen equal good come from secular people. I have seen equal good done by secular organizations. I have never seen a paralyzed man get up and walk.I have never seen anything that resembles a higher power living in us. That's hard for me to admit, because I have believed it so..... because it was written. But truly Paul believed it so. And taught it. Context is that man had no power to change his nature proved by 1000's of years of trying. So God made a new covenant that his spirit dwell in us giving us overcoming power..... and being an eternal spirit, thus we shall die only a physical death. But sadly, I don't see it. Every church I ever been in did not display it. Speaking in tounges is a mere joke. No one has the gift of miracles, no one has the gift of "true" love. One might say that just because you have not experienced it does not mean it's not so. True, but I have seen it NO where. And if anyone says they have experienced it, then I would point them to secular people whom have had "experiences" as well. The only difference in me and another is that I am brave enough to admit it. For someone whom will say, "i was delivered from drugs"...... hmmmm, just as many secular can say the same. If I really look to the scriptures, I should see REAL miracles, in my day. I should see churches with power, not membership. If you ask anything in my name, I will do it..... Hmmmm, at this point, I have to consider that Jesus did not say this
Sorry, but no. He is the Firstborn Son of God.
1 John 3:16
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
God "laid down his life for us".
Oh my, dude, you have got to become a bible student. Nowhere in the Greek does it say God. If your going to play apologist, then you have got to learn to check the greek so that you don't keep stepping in your own trap1 John 3:16
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
God "laid down his life for us".
Type in any verse and "biblehub" on the right in blue will be the verse along with the before and after. Then look up higher at the dselection bar. Click the "greek". You can then see the exact greek, even look left and it will show you the greek word, click it, it will show how many times translated as this, or that. You would be able to see that God is not in the verse. It simple say love, not love of God, and it says "he", not God, not Jesus. But we assume it's Jesus. If you assume it's God, then so be it. But you can't play that card as a wildcardOh my, dude, you have got to become a bible student. Nowhere in the Greek does it say God. If your going to play apologist, then you have got to learn to check the greek so that you don't keep stepping in your own trap
Oh my, dude, you have got to become a bible student. Nowhere in the Greek does it say God. If your going to play apologist, then you have got to learn to check the greek so that you don't keep stepping in your own trap
1 John 3:16
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
God "laid down his life for us".
Blasphemy was a claim to be God. Someone can claim to be Jesus, or the messiah, and be forgiven. However, no one can claim to be God and be forgiven. The use of HS is just another name, a NT name for God. Context..... Eve did not want to serve God. She wanted to be like him to rival God. This is how the saints will know whom the false antichrist is. Jesus would never claim to be God. If he did then he has become God's rival. But he did not, being made in his image, as man is made in the image of God, he humbled himself, realized that man is meant to serve god, not rival him. He was obedient even to death on a cross. Therefore God was pleased and gave him a name above all names that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow. He is where he is because he did not rival God. This OT context is so overlooked. It's the basis of everything.OK Builder, here is one for you;
Matthew 12:31
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Spirit being pneumatos but exactly how can one blaspheme only one persona of a three persona God? Paul did single out the Spirit of God and not God.
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(31) The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.--Better, against the Spirit, the word "Holy" not being found in any MSS. of authority.
Read this;
"Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit has to do with accusing Jesus Christ of being demon-possessed instead of Spirit-filled."
Maybe then it means they were saying Jesus was performing his works by the magic of demons instead of the Spirit of God.
Oh my, dude, you have got to become a bible student. Nowhere in the Greek does it say God. If your going to play apologist, then you have got to learn to check the greek so that you don't keep stepping in your own trap