A lot of those high school kids are going to wind up at a fcs school and a lot of those kids that would be at said fcs school are going to be out of luck. It’s far less risky taking a spencer rattler out of the portal than a 5 star out of high school. Even with warts the transfer is a known quantity. It’s not just kids deciding to transfer it’s also coaches encouraging kids that aren’t working out at school a to transfer. At the end of the day the numbers are the same except for the marginal kids in the portal or in high school and most of those probably don’t belong at the college level anyway. Community college transfers to 4 year schools are also going to get scarce
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A lot of those high school kids are going to wind up at a fcs school and a lot of those kids that would be at said fcs school are going to be out of luck. It’s far less risky taking a spencer rattler out of the portal than a 5 star out of high school. Even with warts the transfer is a known quantity. It’s not just kids deciding to transfer it’s also coaches encouraging kids that aren’t working out at school a to transfer. At the end of the day the numbers are the same except for the marginal kids in the portal or in high school and most of those probably don’t belong at the college level anyway. Community college transfers to 4 year schools are also going to get scarce
The demand is constant and the supply, outside of COVID super seniors, is constant. A transfer may not find a landing spot which would mean less supply in a cycle thus driving up the price. The super seniors will disappear in a few years
If what has happened the last couple of years continues to happen kids are going to stop transferring at the rate they are now. In the previous 3 cycles about 26% of P5 transfers wound up on scholarship at a P5 school. About 25% wound up on scholarship at a G5 school. About 30% wound up on scholarship or partial scholarship at a FCS school. About 19% wound up unsigned anywhere and not playing or on scholarship. I suspect that number is about consistent with P5 scholarship athletes who just decide they’re done, transfer or not….but bumping down form P5 to G5 or FCS is a pretty hard pill to swallow for a kid who was recruited to a P5 program. It’s new and exciting now but the reality is most wins up in worse situations than they left….that will put a damper on the excitement in a few years.
atlashunter
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Not for the best prospects.
Read an article that several enterprising D-1 schools have started a liason program where they put players and recruits in contact with boosters, businesses etc. for NIL and can still be within NCAA rules. What's a little disturbing is the recruit that flipped from FSU to Jackson State was guaranteed 2 mil in NIL money. Not sure if that's true but man if it is...........here we go !!!
bullgator
Senior Member
Those “out of luck” kids would have at least gotten a chance at a college education. But the players at the top of the food chain get a little greedy because a $200,000 education with athletic perks just isn’t enough, and those at the bottom stay on the streets in the hood.
Yea, this is going to work out great.
RedHills
Self Banned after losing a Noles bet.
Yep...and within hours of that happening, Florida legislators introduced an amended NIL bill that was passed previously striking that Colleges (FL) couldn't be associated with directing athletes to NIL providers. Although there is a new group, led by former booster admin (FSU) that will deal with this directly.
RedHills
Self Banned after losing a Noles bet.
Exactly...makes for a great work environment don't it?
So it’s acceptable for college athletics to operate on the principle of “from each according to their ability to each according to their need” but in all other aspects of life in America this principle is to be avoided like the plague because it resonated with Karl Marx? Gifted athletes whose name image and likeness has a verifiable market value of millions of dollars are supposed to what, sit down and shut up and happily forego that life altering payday so less talented kids get a chance to attend college? I don’t disagree by the way….I just think we should expand that pain to EVERYONE in the US so all kids get a chance to attend college for free. If it’s good for a 5 star QB who can throw a football 80 yards and hit a postage stamp it’s good for an accountant and her plumber husband. Of course that’d be socialism for them but it’s team building for the QB.
I don’t think there is an iota of racism driving this reaction because I know how fanatical most of us are about college athletics….but it is a BAD look when a HBUC lands the #1 recruit in CFB, apparently by some sort of 7 figure NIL deal, and the CFB world loses its collective mind. The look gets even worse when almost the entirety of the CFB media and many coaches start decrying the practice of the individual athlete being concerned with their own well being and not that of the game itself. When Lane Kiffin suggests it is bad for the game that players are going to go where they are paid the most it’s the epitome of hypocrisy given he has done exactly that in his coaching career. It’s OK for Lane but problematic for Hunter? It would be FAR less problematic had Hunter signed with UGA instead of a HBUC…..that doesn’t help the optics at all. Again, I’m not saying it’s racial but it don’t look good……
I think there is a BIGGER issue here that no one wants to address…..
It seems to be the consensus that a college education costs $200k. There are 35000 students at a place like UGA and what, 85 of them are on a football scholarship? That’s less than 2/10ths of one percent of the student body. Surely there is no way on earth tossing another 85 desks in a classroom of 35000 desks, preparing 85 more meals when you’re already preparing 34,915 or finding 85 more twin mattresses can cost a place like UGA $170 million, is there? There isn’t a limit to the number of students outside of a practical one so those 85 bodies aren’t displacing anyone. No, the actual cost to the University is negligible….the value of the item offered may be $200k but the cost is almost nothing. I know the AD must account for the cost of the scholarship but the money is in the same wallet…..while value of the item offered by the athlete allows the university to comply with title IX and collect vast sums of money from donors. The schools need the athletes far more than the athletes need the school……
It seems to be the consensus that a college education costs $200k. There are 35000 students at a place like UGA and what, 85 of them are on a football scholarship? That’s less than 2/10ths of one percent of the student body. Surely there is no way on earth tossing another 85 desks in a classroom of 35000 desks, preparing 85 more meals when you’re already preparing 34,915 or finding 85 more twin mattresses can cost a place like UGA $170 million, is there? There isn’t a limit to the number of students outside of a practical one so those 85 bodies aren’t displacing anyone. No, the actual cost to the University is negligible….the value of the item offered may be $200k but the cost is almost nothing. I know the AD must account for the cost of the scholarship but the money is in the same wallet…..while value of the item offered by the athlete allows the university to comply with title IX and collect vast sums of money from donors. The schools need the athletes far more than the athletes need the school……
bullgator
Senior Member
Once again......that 200k education IS their payday! Add to that the FREE housing, medical, top notch menu, no electric bills, tutors (because we know most didn’t get there academically), and that’s a pretty nice tax free payday.
Im sure a lot of med, law, business, or other students wouldn’t mind that deal. And trying to equate a man (Kiffen) in his profession with a student working on his is ridiculous.
If you believe everyone should go to college free, you’re showing Socialist tendencies. Spoiler alert, there is no FREE. Free through government means we the taxpayers pick up the tab, and once that happens the cost of higher education will skyrocket knowing they can dip into our pockets without resistance.
Finally, I don’t know why you brought racism into it.
bullgator
Senior Member
Meriwether Mike
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The first round of 1099s for their NIL deals will show up in January. We will see how the athletes like it then. Uncle Sam always gets his.
Id bet like most folks they’ll gripe about taxes but do everything they can to earn as much as possible despite Uncle Sam
Ummm yeah because one of those "less talented kids" that doesn't play football could use that scholly to get an education and then go discover a cure for cancer. When the money is more important than the education it's time to ditch college sports altogether.
Meriwether Mike
Senior Member
They are about to get a college education on self employment tax, federal income tax and state income tax for a lot of states. 
Curious how it is that a kid that does not play football would be in college on a football scholarship? The AD pays for football scholarships….they aren’t available to kids not on athletic scholarships. it’s great to know that it’s acceptable to believe in the basis of Marxism in college athletics but not in, oh, I don’t know, healthcare.
Money has been more important in the AD of most universities than education for about 50 because the AD is a major source of funding for ALL athletics and athletics in turn cause alumni to send checks to the University in general, not just the AD. It’s a rare university indeed where academics is such that folks donate millions of dollars every year and there is little to no prominent AD on campus.
They are about to get a college education on self employment tax, federal income tax and state income tax for a lot of states.
It is somewhat condescending to suppose that they are unaware that earning income means incurring some tax burden. I have yet to meet a person who wouldn’t earn an income to avoid taxes……in fact just the opposite is true of almost everyone….we earn more than we truly need to survive knowing full well that doing so will increase our tax burden. Take a look around at the number of $50k pickups you see with only the driver in them and the number of 3000 sq foot houses where 2 adults and 2 kids live. All of those people could earn less, pay less in taxes, and still manage to survive. I have never met a person who liked paying taxes….they are as rare as people who refuse a raise because they’ll pay more in taxes…..
ddgarcia
Mr Non-Libertaw Got To Be Done My Way
Don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure he meant it as, "If they weren't paying for the "athletic" scholarship they could pay for an ACADEMIC (or 3 or 4) scholarship(s) for worthy kids.
bullgator
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I believe elfiii was talking about the kids in post #101, and I referred to in post #106, that will miss out on those lower football schollys. Apparently GTMOD forgot he said it.
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