OFFICIAL WORK OUT THREAD

[GeorgiaBob]

What did you do today work out related?

Don't think I'm gonna work out today. I slept in and didn't even get dressed until 5:30. Skipped breakfast (blood work later). After getting my Granddaughter to her teen prayer group at 6:30, my dog and I picked up a few things at Lowes, and made a park visit to sniff a few trees (she did most of the sniffing). Then picking Gdaughter back up (Tuesday prayer group at Chick-Fil-A - does that line of cars ever end?) I got home in time to actually walk the dog (Springer Spaniels need at least a mile of running, off leash, I don't do the running part!) before driving over to the hospital so they could draw blood. I voted on the way home.

Now I have to deal with cutting back a 20 year old crepe myrtle. If I'm not done in after that, I have a pretty long list of what I should have already done! Thank God I'm only 70 sumtin', don't know how I'd manage if I were OLD!

Mebbe I'll work out 2morrow.

 

[sprewett]

Saturday had a great day with dad and got a good workout. Went to his property in Suches had to cut down a giant dead oak. Good workout and fished in the Toccoa River some.
Today decided to amp it up some. After working chest, triceps, and shoulders got on the Jacobs ladder, did some work on the treadmill, and finally some kettle bell swings.
Gonna be sore!

 

[hopper]

Im two weeks into a four week Beast program. Not lifting anywhere what those guys are lifting but doing what I can.
Need to get some more dumbbells sets of 35s,40s,50s for Chest but prices be Crazy. Still hitting the elliptical 20 min 3 days a week and walking with the wife around the hood.

 

[BeerThirty]

My oldest son (and lifting partner) is now out of commission for 8-weeks. No activity whatsoever. He's had some recurring lower back pain, i.e. flares up, takes it easy for a few weeks, then reinjures it. We finally took him in, got MRI, he has a few herniated discs that we estimate he's be pushing through for about 6 months. Glad we got an answer. He's so bummed.

Probably happened at school when his jackwagon coaches forced him into those despicable hexbar deadlifts. Stupidest and most unnecessary lift ever imo.

Still lifting with my 12-yr old son and trying to keep the momentum rolling.

 

[sprewett]

My oldest son (and lifting partner) is now out of commission for 8-weeks. No activity whatsoever. He's had some recurring lower back pain, i.e. flares up, takes it easy for a few weeks, then reinjures it. We finally took him in, got MRI, he has a few herniated discs that we estimate he's be pushing through for about 6 months. Glad we got an answer. He's so bummed.

Probably happened at school when his jackwagon coaches forced him into those despicable hexbar deadlifts. Stupidest and most unnecessary lift ever imo.

Still lifting with my 12-yr old son and trying to keep the momentum rolling.

Sorry for your oldest but enjoy lifting with your 12y/o

 

[earlthegoat2]

@BeerThirty

Maybe you were just venting but…

Hex bar deadlifts are not totally useless (though they are not a replacement for a standard deadlift ) and don’t necessarily cause injury.

Form matters with hex bar deadlifts also. They are actually much more forgiving of a movement than a standard DL as it more or less forces the weight to be centered on the frontal plane of the body. This is often why they are employed in high school training environments.

However, if the coaches are, in fact, jackwagons…

 

[BeerThirty]

@BeerThirty

Maybe you were just venting but…

Hex bar deadlifts are not totally useless (though they are not a replacement for a standard deadlift ) and don’t necessarily cause injury.

Form matters with hex bar deadlifts also. They are actually much more forgiving of a movement than a standard DL as it more or less forces the weight to be centered on the frontal plane of the body. This is often why they are employed in high school training environments.

However, if the coaches are, in fact, jackwagons…

Yes, you did detect some bitterness in my tone But I still recommend squats over deadlift any given day as means to work similar muscles. I kinda refuse to argue that because we could go back and forth all day. Bottom line is: I've seen WAY more people get hurt from them over squats.

Also, out of curiosity, how tall are you? Hex bar deadlifts are not friendly for tall people, period. We cannot widen our stance enough inside the hex to begin the lift with proper form, which puts additional strain on the back (likely how this injury occurred). My son is just shy of 6'5.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Yes, you did detect some bitterness in my tone But I still recommend squats over deadlift any given day as means to work similar muscles. I kinda refuse to argue that because we could go back and forth all day. Bottom line is: I've seen WAY more people get hurt from them over squats.

Also, out of curiosity, how tall are you? Hex bar deadlifts are not friendly for tall people, period. We cannot widen our stance enough inside the hex to begin the lift with proper form, which puts additional strain on the back (likely how this injury occurred). My son is just shy of 6'5.

I am 6’0”.

I don’t make the previous statements based purely on my own experiences with various deadlifts though.

I do also happen to be a physical trainer of high level athletes and military personnel for high level physical performance as well as a general personal trainer and strength and conditioning specialist. I do not know it all but I have personally witnessed many standard and trap bar deadlifts and seen and analyzed the results of such.

I also feel no need to argue as many subjects of fitness tend to be highly argumentative and I have been down that road countless times already.

A bad strength coach can cause problems with workout movements if they are not in tune with each individuals specific morphology and/or strengths and weaknesses with certain exercise movements.

 

[SarahFair]

My oldest son (and lifting partner) is now out of commission for 8-weeks. No activity whatsoever. He's had some recurring lower back pain, i.e. flares up, takes it easy for a few weeks, then reinjures it. We finally took him in, got MRI, he has a few herniated discs that we estimate he's be pushing through for about 6 months. Glad we got an answer. He's so bummed.

Probably happened at school when his jackwagon coaches forced him into those despicable hexbar deadlifts. Stupidest and most unnecessary lift ever imo.

Still lifting with my 12-yr old son and trying to keep the momentum rolling.

That's the problem with a lot of weight lifting coaches, it becomes a one size fits all program when you have 40+ kids in a weight room.

We were having a MASSIVE issue when our oldest was in his early years of HS.
The weight training coach was also the football coach and he was catering the program towards football players.
Almost half the baseball team was coming out on the injured list. A lot of the parents were complaining to the baseball coach, who in turn said he's been trying to get the football coach to work a different program for baseball players, but he was ignored.

The school finally (by the grace if God) got a professional training coach in there who's trained professional athletes across the nation.
He was HUGE on form. He would stop the whole class if he saw someone attempting a lift with improper form and make them go over it again and again while the class watched.
He also made them do yoga once a week for stretching

He stayed with the school a few years and actually taught both my boys, but left to start a private gym/training facility, so the school is back to using football coaches, but I cant complain about the current one, he is a multi-sport coach and seems to be a little more receptive.

 

[bfriendly]

Last weekend I was wearing some duck boots walking down a gully when some wet leaves sent me down the hill quicker than I anticipated. My leg got tucked up underneath my rear end then pulled to the side, now my abductors feel strained when I do certain exercises

I'm also having to back off the weights for the upper body because I think I might have pulled something under my collar bone months ago that keeps getting worse.
I'm starting to wonder if it might be my pillow and sleeping position because even after taking the 2 weeks off when I believe I had covid, it got worse.
There's also a crick feeling in my neck like it needs to pop, my ear sometimes feels stopped up and I'll have dizzy like spells..


So I have been and will be trekking along on the treadmill til I get better

Ouch! I pulled something on my right side playing golf and have been hurting for 2.5 weeks. Sleeping on a heating pad seems to help, but I’m having to try and take it easy. Been really hard to not swinging a club since I got that bug again. Hope you get better soon!

 

[bfriendly]

Anyone using their fitness app on their iPhone? I just opened it up one day and put in my 3 or 4 question data and began. I keep it closed but it still tracks my movements Which I love about it! I’ve always wanted to wear a Fitbit or something just to see how many steps I get in at work…..I knew it was a lot. I can’t wear any type of wrist band as I’d destroy it on day one. I don’t even wear a watch and I’d love to have an Apple Watch Like my wife and kids do. I’m sure it does a lot more than what I look at, but I’d have to say the Fitness app already on your iPhone is working and should be pretty accurate.
I haven’t look at it in a week but just checked it. I can see the whole week and look At each day, times etc… What’s really telling is how few steps I’m taking on my off days. I need to get back in the woods I guess!
If you have an iPhone I recommend checking it out! It’s probably on all the others too though.

 

[BeerThirty]

That's the problem with a lot of weight lifting coaches, it becomes a one size fits all program when you have 40+ kids in a weight room.

We were having a MASSIVE issue when our oldest was in his early years of HS.
The weight training coach was also the football coach and he was catering the program towards football players.
Almost half the baseball team was coming out on the injured list. A lot of the parents were complaining to the baseball coach, who in turn said he's been trying to get the football coach to work a different program for baseball players, but he was ignored.

The school finally (by the grace if God) got a professional training coach in there who's trained professional athletes across the nation.
He was HUGE on form. He would stop the whole class if he saw someone attempting a lift with improper form and make them go over it again and again while the class watched.
He also made them do yoga once a week for stretching

He stayed with the school a few years and actually taught both my boys, but left to start a private gym/training facility, so the school is back to using football coaches, but I cant complain about the current one, he is a multi-sport coach and seems to be a little more receptive.

Yup, it's hard for one coach to watch all 40+ kids in a weight room, too. As in my son's case, the weight lifting teacher is also a football coach. But unfortunately, there tends to be favoritism being shown to the varsity players. On top of that, my son said he feels very pressured to lift fast because the teacher has a fast cadence to get everyone through all the lifts via blowing a whistle. He said sometimes they can't even finish sets, so to bypass, the kids don't make weight adjustments between sets, i.e. kids will lift heavier weight than they're supposed to because they don't have time to swap out the weights. These are some of the many reasons I bought them their own power cage so that they could more productive lifting in at home.

Sounds like you eventually got a good trainer. I always wondered how training for other sports worked, as I was always a football guy and nothing else.

 

[SarahFair]

Yup, it's hard for one coach to watch all 40+ kids in a weight room, too. As in my son's case, the weight lifting teacher is also a football coach. But unfortunately, there tends to be favoritism being shown to the varsity players. On top of that, my son said he feels very pressured to lift fast because the teacher has a fast cadence to get everyone through all the lifts via blowing a whistle. He said sometimes they can't even finish sets, so to bypass, the kids don't make weight adjustments between sets, i.e. kids will lift heavier weight than they're supposed to because they don't have time to swap out the weights. These are some of the many reasons I bought them their own power cage so that they could more productive lifting in at home.

Sounds like you eventually got a good trainer. I always wondered how training for other sports worked, as I was always a football guy and nothing else.

The professional trainer had the boys in groups that lifted round about the same weights to reduce the time it took to swap weights out between every kid, before him and currently the boys are organized into random groups, so one kid could be lifting 100 more lbs than someone else in their group, which doesn't make sense to me.

And I don't know that I exactly agree with testing their PRs every few weeks for progress.
On one hand I get it, on another, like you said, it can push/pressure them into injury.

 

[earlthegoat2]

None of that sounds very productive but it is likely a product of time and resources.

Without discussing specifics, the coach is incentivized more to pay closer attention to the varsity players. In that case, it is up to the younger players to figure out strength training on their own. Form, weights, progression, movements, exercises, etc. All of it.

You are on the right track getting your son his own weight set if you are serious about his development as an athlete. Strength training and conditioning will also make injury less likely in contact sports like football. He may be better off not training with the rest of the team at all but that may not be an option.

I know of a very few parents (dads mostly but there have been moms with their daughters too and sometimes dads with their daughters) who have taken their freshman kid to a personal trainer who specializes in sport performance to either teach them how to get bigger and stronger for sports or to actually train them personally a few times a week. That is a gig I would love to get into as they make around $150/hr. However, I definitely also question why the parent is so involved with their kids in sports.

It reminds me of Todd Marinovich, Tiger Woods, or Andre Agassi's father's virulent obsession with more or less forcing their kids into becoming high level athletes. If you are unaware of the Todd Marinovich story, there is a 30 for 30 episode on it. It is about football as well so it is more relevant than Woods or Agassi.

 

[BeerThirty]

I know of a very few parents (dads mostly but there have been moms with their daughters too and sometimes dads with their daughters) who have taken their freshman kid to a personal trainer who specializes in sport performance to either teach them how to get bigger and stronger for sports or to actually train them personally a few times a week. That is a gig I would love to get into as they make around $150/hr. However, I definitely also question why the parent is so involved with their kids in sports.

TBH, I was considering that until my son got hurt. They have a few franchises around here that do that. Reason why I am so involved is because I'm very passionate about the sport of football, as is my son. It's hard for me to see him disappointed when he puts in the work, so naturally I try to do what I can to help. He has no expectations to go to the next level but he's loving every minute of it for now. Furthermore, God didn't bless him with optimal physical traits. He's 6'5, 190. Athletic wise, he's physical enough to hold his own, but the 275+ hoss's on his team can push him around. He plays TE so he has to be able to block big dudes but also have speed and mobility to run pass routes. Just found out they are changing offenses and the TE position is going to be virtually eliminated, so they are moving him to either DE or WR. DE he's undersized and lacking in strength. He's likely going to push for WR because he will have a vertical advantage, his speed is decent and he can catch. But his issue will be competing with all the faster WRs, so he needs major help on his acceleration, change of direction and even vertical jump. My theory has always been: use to your advantage what God has given you. Him it's his height. So to come full circle, I was considering one of those trainers to help him make the adjustment in preparation for playing another position.

 

[sprewett]

Started taking Glucosamine Chondroitin with MSM and hyaluronic acid this past weekend. To see if it helps my knee and shoulder. I know it will take a while before it begins its job but my knee didnt hurt yesterday after my 5.5 mile trek and my shoulder didn't ache after 26 sets of chest. May just be physcosomatic (or however you spell it) but I'm just excited the dull ache is gone.

 

[hopper]

Started taking Glucosamine Chondroitin with MSM and hyaluronic acid this past weekend. To see if it helps my knee and shoulder. I know it will take a while before it begins its job but my knee didnt hurt yesterday after my 5.5 mile trek and my shoulder didn't ache after 26 sets of chest. May just be physcosomatic (or however you spell it) but I'm just excited the dull ache is gone.

Interesting. Keep us updated in a couple weeks.

 

[sprewett]

So far there has been no return to the knee pain but my shoulder still hurts a bit. Probably because of damage from powerlifting for many years of my life.
This week in addition to lifting I have been hitting the sauna everyday after lifting. Not sure it helps anything but it sure feels great.

 

[hopper]

Collegan Peptides worth adding to a protien shake? Wife was saying it may help with the joints a bit.

 

[sprewett]

@hopper I have no idea!
I can tell ya that stuff I have been taking my knee hasn't been hurting. Shoulder still has an ache from time to time, especially after chest day at the gym.
My cousin takes that collagen stuff that is supposed to be good for joints he swears it works. I haven't tried it.